On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:41:30 EDT OROBOYZ@aol.com writes: Cold setting, within certain parameters of course, is a perfectly normal thing and something that makes steel a preferred substance for bikes as it can survive that process. Dale Brown ~~~~~~~~~~ two points: the thing that used to bug me about that 'issue' is, "what do the importers know about the alignment of these frames that the maker (of the frames) do not? that is, you take a frame that was sent over as 'finished', and then you finish it some more??" i never bought that one! secondly, throughout the duration, all ten speed drive brochures stated that their alignment services brought the frames into tolerances of .001mm. that's A THOUSANDTH OF A MILLEMETER!!!!!!! that typo was never corrected in any of the printed pieces that tsd mailed out. e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com