Hi Mark, I completely forgot that you had a copy posted, but I'm glad you did. I would have sworn that Yahoo allowed the user to enlarge the picture, but now they have a little message to the effect that "premium" customers can enlarge or download the images. Dang, it's getting hard to find a good, free photo hosting site nowdays. :-(
Steve Kurt
>
> Message: 4
> From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: Teledyne Titan Questions...
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:53:51 -0700
>
> Jim Merz wrote:
> >
> >
> > Seems the scans are too crude to read. I would like to see this
> > story though.
>
> Any chance you are viewing them too small? Can you zoom in, in whatever
> picture viewer you're using? I have the same scans, sent to me by Kurt, on
> my web page at http://bulgier.net/
> maybe those are more readable for you. I can read 'em just fine.
>
> > Pino was trying to make some light weight bike parts and got
> > together with Cecil Beringer. Beringer figured
> > out a way to braze ti, using special gold alloy in a vacuum
> > furnace.
>
> This was written up, with photos, in an old Bike Tech magazine. Sorry it's
> in storage right now so I can't give you the year and volume number.
>
> > The lugs were made from solid.
>
> Are you sure about that? Curt Goodrich got ahold of some leftover lugs and
> stuff from that project and sold 'em on eBay a while back. The photos
> clearly show the lugs as made up from tubing - though there could have been
> another generation of lugs machined from solid too. See:
> http://bulgier.net/
>
> > Tubing was made in Albany, I can't remember the company name.
>
> Probably Wah-Chang, coincidentally owned by Teledyne but no relation to the
> Teledyne outfit that made the Titan other than being owned by the same
> conglomerate. Wah-Chang is gigantic, the size of a small city, and they
> produce some large fraction of all the Ti metal used in the US (or claimed
> they did when I visited in about '92). They make metal from ore, and also
> make various finished or partly finished shapes including tubing. The 3/2.5
> tubing used on US-made frames comes from three mills that all get their raw
> material from Wah-Chang. Some kinds of finished tubing was being made there
> in '92, but none of the nice 3/2.5 used in bikes and aircraft hydraulic
> systems - they told me only Haynes, Ancotech and Sandvik made that stuff,
> out of pierced billet supplied by Wah-Chang. (Probably Wah-Chang had made
> 3/2.5 previously though.)
>
> When I was there I visited their library. The librarian confidently told me
> he could get me any info on Ti and/or Teledyne, but he was stumped when I
> told him about the Titan - he had never heard that Teledyne had ever made
> bike frames, and was unable to look up any info on it! He did show me
> photos of a Ti frame a Wah-Chang engineer had made for himself years ago, I
> want to say late 70s?. It had oversize alloy tubing (not CP) and nice
> welds, probably a lot better frame than the Titan. Those Teledyne units
> should talk to each other more! Although I don't know when Teledyne bought
> Wah-Chang, maybe it was after the Titan era. And Linair, who made the
> Titan, was spun off and is no longer a Teledyne unit. Maybe they weren't
> even both under the Teledyne umbrella at the same time.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, Wa
> USA