Re: [CR]Any Info on Flying Scot/ USA team1960?

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:57:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [CR]Any Info on Flying Scot/ USA team1960?
From: Bob Reid <>
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I don't !

Well I sort of do - from the one photograph I've seen of the British team bikes - at least one of which was a Flying Scot- it appeared to be silver with no graphics. Problem is the photo was black & white and half covered by the rider !. I'll take the bull by the horns with this one though and ask one of the team riders (from either 1960 or 1964) Billy Bisland - There that'll keep the Peugeot fans happy as well - on Monday.

There is one other line of enquiry - list member Leonard Bulger has given me Oscar Juner's address to contact for info, and added the names, Herb Francis, Jack Simes III and Mike Hiltner who also rode in the 60's U.S.A. team. But is there anyone on the list who knows these guy's more directly who could ask ?

The owner of one of the two machines in the U.S. (Leonard Smith (707)869-2236) contacted me during the Christmas period using a remote computer - his own was busted - and I've not heard from him since. His father I believe also has one other of the six that were allegedly imported to U.S. At the time before I lost contact, he said the only marking was the olympic rings placed above the Scot seat tube transfer...... Does anyone know this chap or is within reasonable phone bill distance of him ?

Hilary can you help us with any info on the British teams ?

Bob Reid Stonehaven Scotland

> From: Brian Baylis <>
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:06:21 -0800
> To: Questor <>
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> Subject: Re: [CR]Any Info on Flying Scot/ USA team1960?
> Steve,
> I was following up on the recent quest for information from Bob Reid on
> this topic. It has been established that the British Olympic team rode
> Flying Scots in the 1960 Rome Olympics. Don't know what they looked like
> but I'm pretty sure Bob does. There has been some rumor that the USA
> Olympic team rode them as well in 1960; we're seeking to confirm that
> and try to find out what they looked like so I can paint mine like that
> if possible. That would be cool if there were no graphics; that would
> save a lot of hassel.
> Any leads?
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>> Hey Brian,
>> Which Brit "Team" were you refering and in what time frame? We have all
>> discussed Factory team colors, but I don't know if a standard has existed in
>> the past for individual country frame colors... Of course, individual
>> country team colors were recognized, but I don't know if this carried over
>> to frame painting.
>> I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that Olympic Team frames in the
>> distant past had to be solid colors without ANY labeling to discourage
>> "commercial influence" on the so-called "virgin" games, according to former
>> IOC President Avery Brundage (mid-1970's). Therefore, the use of any
>> commercial names or branding on Olympic bikes used in Olympic trials or
>> competition was discouraged and punishable by disqualification... Prehaps
>> this remains the standard today, any comments?
>> The 1980's seemed to bring new shades of color, contrasts, shapes of frames,
>> and new ideas where solid frame colors gave way to new metallics, fades, and
>> color blending for vintage frames. When Brundage passed away, the cycling
>> world seemed to lead the way for amateurs to become paid professionals and
>> by financial slight of hand, retain amateur status. I believe that purse
>> money for "amateur" races that had long been hidden under the table started
>> to be openly disclosed in public which led to Factory Team names being
>> promenently displayed on Olympic bikes for name recognition and subtle
>> advertising... This all impacted why the look of frame paint jobs changed in
>> the 80s. Subtle and conservative hints gave way to loud and bold painting
>> statements...
>> Comments on this line of thought are welcomed....
>> Regards, Steve Neago
>> "Pondering history and possibly faulty recollections in Cincinnati, OH"
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Baylis" <>
>> To: "classic rendezvous" <>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:21 PM
>> Subject: [CR]Any Info on Flying Scot/ USA team1960?
>>> Friends of the Flying Scot:
>>> Just wondering if any one of you birddogs has flushed out any
>>> information on wheather or not the USA Olympic team rode Flying Scots.
>>> I'm dying to know. I would really like to send my Scot to the Cirque
>>> properly dressed if possible. Will need to know fairly soon so I can
>>> pick away at it slowly as I get my other work done. Can't show up at the
>>> party without an eye-catching date! Ahthough if there are as many
>>> drinkers as it sounds like, maybe it won't matter!
>>> Brian Baylis
>>> Curious in La Mesa
>>> BTW, what did the British team bikes look like?