Gang,
Just for kicks, imagine yourself in charge of your favorite Euro team of the 70s-early 80s. Campy and Shimano don't exist, but all of the other small players do. If sponsorship was not a deciding factor, how would you spec the team road bikes to last a season? Choose any mix of components from among, but not limited to the following: Mavic, Modolo, OMAS, Edco (dubied), Gipiemme, TTT, Maillard, Berrelli, Simplex, Everest, Zeus,CLB, Galli, Fiamme, ITM, MAFAC, Stronglight, Nervar, Universal, Nisi, Martano. Assos...... Just curious.....
Kevin, "can you ever had too much Campagnolo NR/SR stuff?" Gosney
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>From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>Reply-To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1047 - 23 msgs
>Date: 14 Jan 2002 19:08:57 -0800
>
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re BSA HUB (Helen Macvean)
> 2. Ebay outing (Steven Sweedler)
> 3. Re: DNP components?? (Bob Reid)
> 4. Re: Campagnolo question (Hugh Thornton)
> 5. Re: Campagnolo question (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 6. Falcon-built Merckx on eBay (youngc@NetReach.Net)
> 7. Old Peugeots (Art Smith)
> 8. for sale (Richard M Sachs)
> 9. Re: Falcon-built Merckx on eBay (David Benson)
> 10. celestial origins? (cecilio felix)
> 11. Used Bike Buyers Guide--B (LouDeeter@aol.com)
> 12. Help (Doug Smith)
> 13. Re: Used Bike Buyers Guide--B (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 14. Wanted: NR Headset circa 1970 (Guy Apple)
> 15. Toni Merkens track stem (feldman)
> 16. Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3 (Eric Elman)
> 17. WTB: campagnolo chainring fixing bolt (Roadgiant@cs.com)
> 18. The Custom Bicycle..Kolin&de la Rosa...ebay (J.Dunn)
> 19. Re: Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3 (feldman)
> 20. Re: Eisentraut models (kevin gosney)
> 21. Ebay prices, here we go again... (M4Campy)
> 22. FS: 52cm early 80's Calif. Masi (Paulie Davis)
> 23. Re: Re: Eisentraut models (feldman)
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:04:30 +0000
>From: Helen Macvean
>To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" ,
> "reclassicbikes@aol.com"
>Subject: [CR]Re BSA HUB
>
>This is what is known as the "DP" gear, as in "dual purpose". One toggle
>chain operated the two speed gear and the other moved the hub from fixed
>to free.
>This is a very rare hub and I have only seen one other. They were made
>sometime in the mid1930s and from all accounts were not a succsess. Even
>rarer still are the shifters (2) that goes with it . These were the
>normal banjo type but a two speed adptation.
>I think BSA also offered a handle bar shifters too
>
>Regards Pete Paine
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:08:03 -0500
>From: Steven Sweedler
>Reply-To: sweedler@mail.plymouth.edu
>Organization: Plymouth State College
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Ebay outing
>
>Here's one of the Cycling History texts. Thought it would be of interest. only 5
>hours left. Steve
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1060159695
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:53:36 +0000
>Subject: Re: [CR]DNP components??
>From: Bob Reid
>To: ,
> classicrendezvous
>
>In short - don't touch them - they are pure Junk
>
>The only company to make Hyperglide compatible freewheels that don't index.
>Out and out Junk either way.......
>
>Sorry if I've offended DNP fans !
>
>Bob Reid
>Stonehaven
>Scotland
>
> > From:
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
> > To: classicrendezvous
> > Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> >
> >
> > What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike JUNK from a guy
> > and while coursing through this box I have come across only a few usable
> > items. There were some skewers, mostly skewer pieces, a Suntour bar-con
> > shifter (only one), many bits and pieces of suntour derailleurs (enough to
> > make one freaksish looking but non working derailleur), a Celeste T.A. bottle
> > cage, and the only derailleurs not broken are these DNP derailleurs. They look
> > like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> >
> > Walt
> > Falls Creek, Pa
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>Message: 4
>From: "Hugh Thornton"
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo question
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:02 -0500
>
>You may be right about the Pista cranks, but that is not my experience:
>however mine are currently at the bottom of a shipping crate and it will be
>a while before I can dig them out. Mine are the earlier 144mm BCD and were
>fitted to a 60's Condor Barracchi with the rest being standard Nuovo Record
>road group. Both cranks are marked Pista. However, I decided to fit double
>chainwheels so swapped the Pista Cranks for Strada cranks of the same
>vintage and did not have to change the axle. The cranks looked pretty much
>the same and if the axle had been much shorter, the chainwheel on the Pista
>cranks would have rubbed the chainstays -- in fact it was close enough that
>i assumed the Strada inner ring would rub, so I didn't bother to try it
>until I had got hold of a new bottom bracket, which I ended up not using.
>
>Hugh Thornton
>nr Crewe UK
>
>
> >From: "Questor"
> >Reply-To: "Questor"
> >To: "Tom Hayes"
> >CC: "classicrendezvous"
> >Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo question
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:42:36 -0500
> >
> >Hi Tom,
> >
> >Campy "Pista" cranks were specifically built for track use and have
> >different shapes to save weight and allow closer mounting to the frame.
> >This is also why Pista axles are narrower that Strada axles - to save
> >weight.
> >
> >
> >Regards, Steve Neago
> >"Enjoying sunny breakfast time in Cincinnati, OH"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tom Hayes"
> >To:
> >Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:07 AM
> >Subject: [CR]Campagnolo question
> >
> >
> > > Is the left arm of a Campagnolo Pista crankset (undated) supposed to be
> > > marked Pista as the right side is? And if it is, what is the difference
> > > between a Pista left arm and a "regular" one?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Tom Hayes
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
>Message: 23
>From: "feldman"
>To: "kevin gosney" ,
>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:03:49 -0800
>
>The "Limited" was the "model B" as I remember them, there were touring as
>well as racing models and the dealer near me that sold them at the time
>didn't get any printed specs--but in the 1970's that was pretty standard
>practice anyway.
>
>David Feldman
>Vancouver, WA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin gosney"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:38 PM
>Subject: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>
>
> >
> > Gang,
> >
> > Kevin, "formerly residing in Latin America", Gosney is back on.
>Got a question regarding frames from Albert Eisentraut. In the late 70's
>what where the differences between the "Model A' and "Model B" frames .
>I've owned a "LIMITED" so understand that specification, but am at a loss
>regarding tubing, geometry, lugs, and original price differences between A &
>B.
> > Any help out there?
> >
> > Thanks, Cold but dry in Oregon
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > >Reply-To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1046 - 7 msgs
> >
> > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 12:04:15 -0800
> >
> > >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Today's Topics:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 1. bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda, (roy roberts)
> >
> > > 2. Due to the great response, here are a few more for sale items!
>(REClassicBikes@aol.com)
> >
> > > 3. New Depature 2 speed hub year/ (Phil)
> >
> > > 4. FS bicycle models cont'd (roy roberts)
> >
> > > 5. Vintage Tire renewal & restoration info needed (Questor)
> >
> > > 6. CR jerseys? (wspokes@penn.com)
> >
> > > 7. DNP components?? (wspokes@penn.com)
> >
> > >
> >
> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 1
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > >From: roy roberts
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Coming soon! Protar 1/9 scale bicycle models. These
> >
> > >are made in Italy. They are highly detailed . With
> >
> > >metal and plastic parts.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I will have the following models available
> >
> > >
> >
> > >1938 Legnano, G. Bartali
> >
> > >
> >
> > >1932 Legnano, A. Binda
> >
> > >
> >
> > >1984 Panasonic Raleigh Team Bike
> >
> > >
> >
> > >The cost will be $29.99 include US Shipping
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Visa < MC, AMEX, Discover
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Please email me of list if interested
> >
> > >
> >
> > >__________________________________________________
> >
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> >
> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 2
> >
> > >From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:57:37 EST
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]Due to the great response, here are a few more for sale
>items!
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Here are a few brake sets that were destined for ebay but may be of
>use to
> >
> > >you guys (and gals) out there?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS, boxed. Weinmanns finest 400 brakeset, complete with levers, gum
>hoods,
> >
> > >cables and cable clips. callipers are anodised black. Nut fitting. $70
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS, boxed, weinmann 405, again levers, hoods cables, no cable clips.
>nut
> >
> > >fitting. $50
> >
> > >
> >
> > >(Are these old enough for the list?) Shimano 600 ax Callipers and
>levers. The
> >
> > >aero centre pull type. These are used, but the callipers are in good
> >
> > >condition, with virtually no wear on the pads. I have no idea where
>you would
> >
> > >get new pads, perhaps you could ask the mechanics at UPS! The levers
>are not
> >
> > >very good and the hoods are poor. $40
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS D.A.M Wooden sprint rims, made in Milan, 36 hole. still in their
> >
> > >wrappings. $150
> >
> > >
> >
> > >TA Cyclo cross chainring with guards, 5 pin fitting, NOS, 46 tooth.
>These are
> >
> > >really nice on a single gear town bike as well. Hard to find. $35
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Campag, band on Gran turisimo gear shifter. NOS. The funny looking one
>with
> >
> > >the big disk. $10
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS Cotton Bonk bags (Mussettes), Red, or Blue with rainbow bands or
>White
> >
> > >with rainbow bands. $10 including airmail to the US. Good quality.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Post at cost unless otherwise stated.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >please contact me off list. Thanks.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Regards
> >
> > >Martin Coopland
> >
> > >
> >
> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 3
> >
> > >From: "Phil"
> >
> >
> > >To:
> >
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:04 -0500
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]New Depature 2 speed hub year/
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Anyone know what year New departure came out with 2 speed hub and top
>=
> >
> > >tube shifter!
> >
> > >Phil Scott
> >
> > >Boring Ohio
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 4
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:39:49 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > >From: roy roberts
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]FS bicycle models cont'd
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Please note the price includes shipping.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >__________________________________________________
> >
> > >Do You Yahoo!?
> >
> > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!
> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 5
> >
> > >Reply-To: "Questor"
> >
> >
> > >From: "Questor"
> >
> >
> > >To: "classicrendezvous"
> >
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:18 -0500
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]Vintage Tire renewal & restoration info needed
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Hello,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
>original =
> >
> > >Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing is =
> >
> > >apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age. =20
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration =
> >
> > >without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be =
> >
> > >wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not have this
>problem =
> >
> > >over time... could there have been a manufacturing change? =20
> >
> > >
> >
> > >What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
>reasonably =
> >
> > >sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Thanks, Steve Neago
> >
> > >"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
> > >Message: 6
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:02 -0500
> >
> > >From:
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous
> >
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]CR jerseys?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >How is the tally on the CR jerseys coming along?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Walt S
> >
> > >Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Questor
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Hello,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
>original Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing
>is apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration
>without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be wrong, but
>it seems that current tubular tires do not have this problem over time...
>could there have been a manufacturing change?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
>reasonably sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Thanks, Steve Neago
> >
> > >"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> >
> > >multipart/alternative
> >
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> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 7
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
> >
> > >From:
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous
> >
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike JUNK
>from a guy and while coursing through this box I have come across only a few
>usable items. There were some skewers, mostly skewer pieces, a Suntour
>bar-con shifter (only one), many bits and pieces of suntour derailleurs
>(enough to make one freaksish looking but non working derailleur), a Celeste
>T.A. bottle cage, and the only derailleurs not broken are these DNP
>derailleurs. They look like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Walt
> >
> > >Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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> >
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