In a message dated 10/9/2002 12:26:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LouDeeter@aol.com writes:
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> A couple of these Dave Moulton made, John Howard decaled bikes have been
> offered in the past year at $600-1000. One was refinished by Cyclart I
> think. The other was excellent original condition. Serial number 001 may
> make it more collectible, but I still don't see this as a true collectible
> bicycle, regardless of the provenance. Had John actually ridden it to win
> a prominent race that would be different, but I don't think he did. I agree
> with Greg, worth about what any other nice Campagnolo equipped bike would
> be worth, but not more. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
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I have one of these as well, a 54 Blue Howie by Dave with super Record pro,as well as a Specialized by Tesch. I put a higher value than Lou recalls from those sales. I compere these to what's new at that price.I know well, our shop sells (or at least stocks) many of these tiggers, miggers, and Chinese monstrosities. Moulton and Tesch meet the standards for my upper tier framebuilders.
Those who know me know this "f-64" group includes Tom K, Brian B, Richie, Albert A , Bruce G, Andy Newlands (strawberry), Columbine, Ben Serotta, Bruce G, Behringer. Several others I have forgotten and I won't attempt to put them in order. Just the nicer work I've sold,seen and owned.
Both lugged and lugless. Somehow hardening of the attitudes over the years is keeping the welded onew away from the higher levels of appreciation.
To put in in a denominator, we get Waterfords of this quality for our stock and custom steel frames these days (among others) and a cecent frame from them is more than twoce the cost of what Lou said a Moulton could be worth. And about the same as a punched-out Chinese one-size-fits-many road bike with bubble gum welds (yes, some of these are nice too) with average or below components. I wouldn't let my Howie Moulton go for anywhere near those figures.
Just a few cents
Larry Black