Re: Offered for Sale
Unfortunately, the slow economy forces sale. It is a bicycle familiar to many of you. Paul did a beautiful job.
Thanks, Karl
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> 1. RE: Info on SR/Laprade ? (Bingham, Wayne R.)
> 2. Now:SR ROYAL Was:SR/Laprade ? (Chuck Schmidt)
> 3. Re: Info on SR/Laprade ? (David Benson)
> 4. pogliaghi serial numbers (chasds@mindspring.com)
> 5. Re: Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli (John Pergolizzi)
> 6. Re: Info on SR/Laprade ? (Raoul Delmare)
> 7. Hetchin's Track frame on eBay (Charles T. Young)
> 8. FS: saddles ... what's left (t2)
> 9. Re: Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli (Brandon Ives)
> 10. FS: shoes and more (tjg@ltlink.com)
> 11. FS: Shoes and more (tjg@ltlink.com)
> 12. Re: Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli (John Pergolizzi)
> 13. Re: Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli (Brandon Ives)
> 14. Re: Now:SR ROYAL Was:SR/Laprade ? (fricker414@earthlink.net)
> 15. Re: Now:SR ROYAL Was:SR/Laprade ? (Chuck Schmidt)
> 16. Pronunciation (Brandon Ives)
> 17. Now: Mythic Early SR Lever, was yeti / loch ness monster (brad stockwell)
> 18. Re: Was Cheh-les-te, now Pronunciation (NortonMarg@aol.com)
> 19. Re: Using URLs to supply For Sale web info (NortonMarg@aol.com)
> 20. seeking Tommasini photos (Tom Sanders)
> 21. RE: Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli (Mark Bulgier)
> 22. RE: seeking Tommasini photos (Mark Bulgier)
> 23. Ebay outing (Hilary.stone)
> 24. e-Bay outting (Janis Johnson)
> 25. Re: Bluemels Fender Sets On eBay (Cantiflex@aol.com)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Subject: RE: [CR]Info on SR/Laprade ?
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:26:17 -0500
> From: "Bingham, Wayne R." <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> >>>>The Laprade version was beautiful; polishing and machining was
> excellent! The SR version was not so beautiful; the machining was not
> so wonderful and the serrations on the saddle clamp were not nicely
> machined so that the clamp tended to slip.
>
> Chuck Schmidt<<<<
>
> I think there are several versions of the SR/Laprade posts. I have an =
> NOS/NIB SR Laprade with a black band (sticker) around the top of the =
> post that labels it as "SR FOUR'SIR LAPRADE ". The machining on the =
> shaft, with fluting ala S-Rec, is quite good. The machining on the head =
> is fairly good as well, but there is still a little flashing evident =
> around the bolt recess. There are no serrations whatsoever in the clamp =
> area. I also have a NIB SR stem with the same black sticker identifying =
> it as FOUR'SIR. The stem also has a titanium bolt. Does any of this =
> trigger any other recollections about early SR/FOUR'SIR stuff?
>
> On another SR note, I have an older, two bolt SR post, most likely =
> pre-Laprade association. The post is interesting, and I have yet to see =
> another one. It has a large "SR ROYAL" crest (about the size of a =
> quarter, with what looks like a circle of leaves and a bow) on the front =
> of the post. Surrounding the rest of the post (and the crest), =
> completely covering the area above the insertion line, is an interesting =
> array of machined slots and circles. The post also has a fairly large =
> slot cut completely through the head, all the way down to the top of the =
> shaft. Very cool look. Okay, okay, probably too much info. It's =
> probably hard to picture. I'll try and post a real picture.
>
> As you can see, I have a bit of a soft spot for interesting Japanese =
> components. Anyone suffer from the affliction?
>
> Wayne Bingham
> Falls Church VA =20
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:34:22 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Now:SR ROYAL Was:SR/Laprade ?
>
> "Wayne Bingham" wrote:
> >
>
> > On another SR note, I have an older, two bolt SR post, most likely pre-Laprade association. The post is interesting, and I have yet to see another one. It has a large "SR ROYAL" crest (about the size of a quarter, with what looks like a circle of leaves and a bow) on the front of the post. Surrounding the rest of the post (and the crest), completely covering the area above the insertion line, is an interesting array of machined slots and circles. The post also has a fairly large slot cut completely through the head, all the way down to the top of the shaft. Very cool look. Okay, okay, probably too much info. It's probably hard to picture. I'll try and post a real picture.
>
> I have seen a few of these Wayne. One of the importers (Euro-Asia
> Imports) is not far from my house.
>
> There was a matching SR ROYAL bar and stem with the same array of
> machined slots and circles. Beautiful stuff indeed!
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
> .
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:58:15 +1300
> From: David Benson <tech@worrall.co.nz>
> To: "Bingham, Wayne R." <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Info on SR/Laprade ?
>
> Bingham, Wayne R. wrote:
>
> >
> >On another SR note, I have an older, two bolt SR post, most likely pre-Laprade association. The post is interesting, and I have yet to see another one. It has a large "SR ROYAL" crest (about the size of a quarter, with what looks like a circle of leaves and a bow) on the front of the post. Surrounding the rest of the post (and the crest), completely covering the area above the insertion line, is an interesting array of machined slots and circles. The post also has a fairly large slot cut completely through the head, all the way down to the top of the shaft.
> >
> Wayne,
> There's one on this bike that was on Ebay last week:
> http://ebay.com/
>
> I've got one, minus some of the seat fixing hardware, which doesn't
> matter because I'm going to make new parts to suit an alloy
> rail Ideale saddle.
>
> David Benson
> Auckland, NZ
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:06:44 -0500
> From: <chasds@mindspring.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Reply-To: chasds@mindspring.com
> Subject: [CR]pogliaghi serial numbers
>
> Ok, I know there are a couple of you out there who know something about this.
>
> If Pogliaghi frame with a serial number in the 9000s was made in 1970, when
> would a frame with a serial number in the 3000s or 4000s have been made?
>
> I am a tad confused about quantity of production coming out of that shop in
> the 60s. And it would be nice to get a better bead on how the serial numbers
> correspond to year of manufacture. Clearly my first hack at this was WAY off.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Charles
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:09:07 -0500
>
> Hey Big Boy,
> Do it(rotate). It will work fine. But first run your campy headtube
> faceing tool lightly so that those bad boys are truly flat and parallel.
> Just enough to make sure, or cut enough ,to have them smooth. ( you don't
> have to get rid of every little valley and don't take off too much off the
> lower lug or you'll change the effective head and seat angles.) Those
> little bumps of chrome can throw things off enough. Use cutting oil.
> Then use the Campy tool to press um in. NOT wood and the vise. NOT the
> ball peen hammer. NOT the Var .Not the Cobra. NOT the Nashbar. NOT the
> home made. THE CAMPY. Its good ka ka karma .
> With this treatment and exact(I mean EXACT) adjustment = 20+ years use!
> In the old days ,I just threw um into the frames from the factory. Got two
> thousand miles out of a N.R. once. Not good. I learned.
> Enjoy,
> Pergolizzi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:44 PM
> Subject: [CR]Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
>
> > So, it's as much a philosophical question as a technical one - I have a
> > beautiful restored Cinelli and the Campagnolo headset has a little bump
> > in it, right on dead center. Now the headset lower cup and crown race
> > are wear parts, they do have a hard life. My options are - either
> > replace the cup and crown race with new parts (I have a set in stock) or
> > ... Remove both and rotate them in such a way that the worn areas are
> > out of phase.
> >
> > My question is really twofold - first, does simply rotating the worn
> > areas really do the trick, and what are the group's thoughts on this
> > type of repair - I'll probably ride this bike twice a year for the next
> > 20 years and why put a brand new headset in it if just rotating the cups
> > will work ? Or is that cheating? Sacriledge?
> >
> > =====================================================
> > Mark Petry 206.618.9642
> > Beautiful Bainbridge Island, WA
> > mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net
> > =====================================================
> > "Nothing can match the simple pleasure of
> > a bicycle ride"
> >
> > John F. Kennedy (Sr.)
> > =====================================================
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Raoul Delmare" <R.Delmare@Charter.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Info on SR/Laprade ?
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:11:56 -0600
>
> Funny , I was just looking at the 2002 line up from Fuji , day before
> yesterday .
>
> Quick , take a look at the 2002 line-up and Web page . The 2003 models ,
> and the Web pages , are not nearly so interesting to traditionalist
> enthusiasts .
>
> Anybody remember a guy named Maynard Hershon ?
> : - )
> http://www.fujibikes.com/
>
> The 2002 Fuji Finest has a butted steel frame & fork , nicely tapered fork
> blades , eyelets on the dropouts , and even a curve at the bottom of those
> fork blades !
>
> It actually looks pretty much like a real bicycle !
>
> O.K. Back on subject .
>
> The 1 ( one ) time I got to go into a Fuji dealer , way back when ,
> c.1972 , and look at both a Fuji Finest ( deep blue ) , and a Fuji Newest
> ( pearl white ) ( and it really was the newest back then ) , it seems to
> me that I saw some beautiful "engraving" at the very top-front of the
> seatposts . And , I'd guess that they were SR seatposts .
>
> The Fuji Finest was the only Japanese bicycle I ever really lusted after .
> Although the even more expensive Fuji Newest was a very close second , for
> me .
>
> I don't have my old Bikecology catalogs handy , but I'll bet they'd have
> some late '70's pictures of SR seatposts in 'em .
>
> Raoul Delmare
> Marysville Kansas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bingham, Wayne R." <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [CR]Info on SR/Laprade ?
>
> >>>>The Laprade version was beautiful; polishing and machining was
> excellent! The SR version was not so beautiful; the machining was not
> so wonderful and the serrations on the saddle clamp were not nicely
> machined so that the clamp tended to slip.
>
> Chuck Schmidt<<<<
>
> I think there are several versions of the SR/Laprade posts. I have an
> NOS/NIB SR Laprade with a black band (sticker) around the top of the post
> that labels it as "SR FOUR'SIR LAPRADE ". The machining on the shaft, with
> fluting ala S-Rec, is quite good. The machining on the head is fairly good
> as well, but there is still a little flashing evident around the bolt
> recess. There are no serrations whatsoever in the clamp area. I also have
> a NIB SR stem with the same black sticker identifying it as FOUR'SIR. The
> stem also has a titanium bolt. Does any of this trigger any other
> recollections about early SR/FOUR'SIR stuff?
>
> On another SR note, I have an older, two bolt SR post, most likely
> pre-Laprade association. The post is interesting, and I have yet to see
> another one. It has a large "SR ROYAL" crest (about the size of a quarter,
> with what looks like a circle of leaves and a bow) on the front of the post.
> Surrounding the rest of the post (and the crest), completely covering the
> area above the insertion line, is an interesting array of machined slots and
> circles. The post also has a fairly large slot cut completely through the
> head, all the way down to the top of the shaft. Very cool look. Okay,
> okay, probably too much info. It's probably hard to picture. I'll try and
> post a real picture.
>
> As you can see, I have a bit of a soft spot for interesting Japanese
> components. Anyone suffer from the affliction?
>
> Wayne Bingham
> Falls Church VA
> _______________________________________________
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:21:14 -0500
> Subject: [CR]Hetchin's Track frame on eBay
>
> Folks:
>
> I suspect that many have spotted this Hetchin's track frame (sans fork) =
> by now. For those who haven't:
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> While I placed the initial bid, it was on a lark, I've been outbid =
> already, and I do not, at present, have the coin to chase it. Therefore, =
> have at it, I'm folding.
>
> Charlie "ctycycle"
>
> Charles T. Young
> Honeybrook. PA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Reply-To: "t2" <ttruong2@attbi.com>
> From: "t2" <ttruong2@attbi.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:28:47 -0800
> Subject: [CR]FS: saddles ... what's left
>
> I only have the TTT/Colnago and the B 17 ti rail left. Thanks all.
> Tom T. Dublin Ca.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:25:52 -0800
> Subject: Re: [CR]Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
> Cc: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> To: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> From: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com>
>
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 05:09 PM, John Pergolizzi wrote:
> > Then use the Campy tool to press um in. NOT wood and the vise.
> > NOT the
> > ball peen hammer. NOT the Var .Not the Cobra. NOT the Nashbar. NOT
> > the
> > home made. THE CAMPY.
>
> Uh, if you're using the Cobra you are using the Campagnolo tools.
> Cobra made the frame tools for Campy last I heard. I also don't quite
> understand the whole Campagnolo tool obsession, some of them are good
> some are not. None of the frame tools are on par with the new Park
> tools. The Campagnolo tool kit is cool and maybe 20+ years ago it was
> THE tool kit, but today it's just not of the accuracy or quality of
> many of the kits available. My old Bicycle Research headset mill is
> just as good as the Campy and half the price.
> ciao,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> SB, CA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: tjg@ltlink.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:08:46 GMT
> Subject: [CR]FS: shoes and more
>
> The following prices do not include shipping charges.
>
> Carnac Touring, almost new. Size says 44, but they fit more like a narrow 43,
> $50
>
> Adidas, black with white strips, very traditional looking, almost new, look
> style, size 42 $25
>
> Older Vittoria touring, wooden sole, includes cleat, very good condition, size
> 45 or maybe 46. $30
>
> Richard's Bicycle Book the one with the orange and white Condor on front. $10
>
> Corrections from my earlier ads.
>
> SR Royal seat post is a 27.2 $15
>
> The Campy NR post with the bottom seat clamps is a 27.0 $12
>
> The Specialized Nimbus III are 700 x 38c $20
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> LTLINK.com
> The Narrow-minded Company
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: tjg@ltlink.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:11:30 GMT
> Subject: [CR]FS: Shoes and more
>
> My finger twitched and I sent my ad without the necessary info:
>
> Prices do not include shipping.
>
> Rick VerHoeven
> 1779 Falls Av. E.
> Twin Falls, ID 83301
>
> tjg@ltlink.com
> 208-539-0133
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> LTLINK.com
> The Narrow-minded Company
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Brandon Ives" <monkeylad@mac.com>
> Cc: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:21:57 -0500
>
> Monkeyman wrote a little while ago: "I also don't quite understand the
> whole Campagnolo tool obsession"
>
> Snip from my first post:
> "Its good ka ka karma".
>
> What do you mean "obsessed" Who me, obsessed. Obsessed!
> Obsessive/compulsive, yes. Obsessed; only half the story.
> I stopped pro wrenching in 1981. My stuff is 20 years old. At least.
> Campy is what I got.
> And what does price have to do w/ this any way?
>
> ciao,
> GianTindaro Pergolizzi
> N.Y.C.
> P.S. I also don't use "snap on"(or Husky or Craftsman) tools on my Ferrari
> (1967 330 GT 2+2 series 2, V 12 BABY ). Just call me silly. Funny, the
> emergency socket set in the trunk is Taiwanese junk.(that statement could
> start another thread. Hope not.)
> Sacrilege.
> P.P.S. Please read between the lines: humor.I guess you agreed w/ the rest.
> For that, I'm glad. J.P.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Ives" <monkeylad@mac.com>
> To: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
>
> > On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 05:09 PM, John Pergolizzi wrote:
> > > Then use the Campy tool to press um in. NOT wood and the vise.
> > > NOT the
> > > ball peen hammer. NOT the Var .Not the Cobra. NOT the Nashbar. NOT
> > > the
> > > home made. THE CAMPY.
> >
> > Uh, if you're using the Cobra you are using the Campagnolo tools.
> > Cobra made the frame tools for Campy last I heard. I also don't quite
> > understand the whole Campagnolo tool obsession, some of them are good
> > some are not. None of the frame tools are on par with the new Park
> > tools. The Campagnolo tool kit is cool and maybe 20+ years ago it was
> > THE tool kit, but today it's just not of the accuracy or quality of
> > many of the kits available. My old Bicycle Research headset mill is
> > just as good as the Campy and half the price.
> > ciao,
> > Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> > SB, CA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:46:42 -0800
> Subject: Re: [CR]Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
> Cc: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> To: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> From: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com>
>
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 06:21 PM, John Pergolizzi wrote:
> > Monkeyman wrote a little while ago: "I also don't quite understand the
> > whole Campagnolo tool obsession"
> >
> > Snip from my first post:
> > "Its good ka ka karma".
>
> You're are quite right the about that. The Campy kits do have a big
> batch of "mojo" in that box.
> ciao,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> SB, CA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:57:43 -0800
> From: <fricker414@earthlink.net>
> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Reply-To: fricker414@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [CR]Now:SR ROYAL Was:SR/Laprade ?
>
> So, anyone have a set of these bars in anything wider than 39cm? I just got a
> lovely old Centurion Professional with these bars, but gosh 39 is narrow!
> Anyone? Anyone?
>
> Tim
>
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:34:22 -0700 Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > There was a matching SR ROYAL bar and stem with
> > the same array of
> > machined slots and circles. Beautiful stuff
> > indeed!
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > SoPas, SoCal
> >
> >
> > .
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:16:03 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Now:SR ROYAL Was:SR/Laprade ?
>
> Tim, you can get use to 39cm. And besides, don't you remember the
> saying on the New York fashion runways, "You have to suffer for fashion,
> Darling!" Can apply to bicycles too...
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
> fricker414@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> > So, anyone have a set of these bars in anything wider than 39cm? I just got a
> > lovely old Centurion Professional with these bars, but gosh 39 is narrow!
> > Anyone? Anyone?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:34:22 -0700 Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > There was a matching SR ROYAL bar and stem with
> > > the same array of
> > > machined slots and circles. Beautiful stuff
> > > indeed!
> > >
> > > Chuck Schmidt
> > > SoPas, SoCal
> > >
> > >
> > > .
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:50:11 -0800
> From: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Pronunciation
>
> Since I'm being so damn contrarian this evening I figure I'll add one
> more. The problem with the whole debate about pronunciation is
> language is quite flexible. Many of the bike companies we discuss here
> are named after families and one of interesting things about family
> names is that don't always follow simple grammatical rules. One of the
> first rules you learn in any language class is that it's not as
> important to get the word exactly right but to make yourself
> understood. The pronunciation debate is one of those things that comes
> up every couple months and it really doesn't need to become a big
> debate. As Billy B. said "Language is a virus."
> enjoy,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> SB, CA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:04:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [CR] Now: Mythic Early SR Lever, was yeti / loch ness monster
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> CR FOLK:
>
> Does anybody wanna take the bait and make a comment on the explicit brake lever comparison in ebay item #1574399272 (campagnolo levers w/case of road rash)?
>
> The somewhat provocative auction text is indirect and avoids coming right out and saying what is on its mind. Heh Heh.
>
> Brad Stockwell
> (I WANT TO BELIEVE)
> Palo Alto
>
>
>
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>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:03:08 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Was Cheh-les-te, now Pronunciation
> To: stevens@veloworks.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 10/29/02 5:10:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> stevens@veloworks.com writes:
>
> << And Bianchi's (Bee-AHN-key) 'celeste' color is pronounced "Chuh-LESS-tay"
> >>
> That's close to what I meant. I would say Cheh, instead of "chuh," it's a
> swallowed "e" more than a "u". It's hard to get it right in print.
> Cheh-LESS-tay is pretty close.
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
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> Message: 19
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:23:15 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Using URLs to supply For Sale web info
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 10/29/02 9:43:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, OROBOYZ@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << There is a joking (I hope!) reference to someone being lazy, but I have to
> agree with John in that it should be the seller's obligation (and in his/her
> interest!) to make finding their "For Sale" items as easily and quickly as
> possible! If you want the most potential buyers to view your offerings, you
> should be more serious in your own efforts...Supplying a URL is very easy
> and
> less time consuming than opening Ebay, opening the search mode, conducting a
> search, etc. For dial up folks especially, this can take up valuable time.
> Personally, I simply do not bother looking at those offerings without a URL.
> If you wanted me as a bidder, you are SOL. >>
>
> A lot of sellers, including Hilary Stone, give their seller name, not the
> URL. I have "ebay search" bookmarked as a "favorite" (fav-or-EET?) and it's
> pretty simple to click over to search by seller. I bother because certain
> sellers have great stuff, and if that's how I have to find them, I "just do
> it". I'm pretty sure Matteo was kidding. His computer is in the shop and he's
> using a Super Slo loaner. If someone doesn't want to search that way, it's
> your choice, you're just decreasing the competition for the items.
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
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> Message: 20
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@attbi.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:38:25 -0500
> Subject: [CR]seeking Tommasini photos
>
> Seeking photos of details on Tommasini bikes, both old and new, =
> especially the lugwork. If you folks have any that you could E-Mail me =
> they would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Tom Sanders
> Lansing, Mi
>
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> Message: 21
> From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org '" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR] Opinion sought: Headset fix for Cinelli
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:36:41 -0800
>
> Mark Poore wrote:
> > It helps to replace the retainer bearings with loose bearings when you
> > rotate you cups and f/crown race. This puts two extra bearings into the
> > mix on the lower as well as upper and allows bearings to sit between the
> > depressions.
>
> Good advice for most headsets, but I'm pretty sure not for Campy. If the
> bearing retainers were original Campy, then IIRC they have the same number
> of balls as you can fit in loose (a "full complement"). (Sorry I'm not at
> home to count 'em right now, and especially sorry if Mark P is righter than
> my memory)
>
> Ironically, going to a cheaper retainer with fewer balls will reduce the
> "index steering", at least for a while, since only a couple of balls will
> sit in the old depressions. I don't really recommend this though; a full
> complement is your best long-term solution.
>
> Some folks have mentioned moving the cups about a half-ball space, but I
> like a more radical approach. Note that the divots are more pronounced fore
> and aft than right-left. So I move the cups 90 degrees to put the worst
> divots right-left, then clock them the 1/2 ball space from each other.
>
> To do this, while it's still assembled mark the two pieces with a felt-tip
> pen while the wheel is straight ahead, just a line that crosses the gap
> between the parts to show where they align when the divots are at their
> worst. Now knock the parts out and assemble just the cup, crownrace and
> balls. Feel the dents. Rotate 'em one click to the right and left of where
> the felt-tip mark lines up, and make a new mark across both parts at each
> clicked-in point. This way you don't have to measure or guess where one
> half-ball-space is. Prep the frame as Pergolizzi recommended, and press the
> parts in so they're around 90 degress away from where they were, but with
> the felt-tip marks staggered (not aligned) when the wheel points straight
> ahead.
>
> I don't have any measurements to prove it, but I believe this extends the
> life of a headset longer than just staggering them one half-ball space,
> without the 90 degree rotation. You'll likely still feel the clicks,
> actually twice as many clicks, but they'll be at least half as bad,
> hopefully a bit less than half as bad.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, WA
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> Message: 22
> From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org '" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]seeking Tommasini photos
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:49 -0800
>
> From: Tom Sanders
>
> > Seeking photos of details on Tommasini bikes
>
> The catalog in the Richard Sachs stash (scans by Duane K) is mid-eighties I
> think. Can anyone place it more accurately than that?
>
> http://bulgier.net/
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, WA
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:22:11 +0000
> Subject: [CR] Ebay outing
> From: "Hilary.stone" <Hilary.stone@tesco.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> I've listed 11 new items on Ebay to finish on Sunday evening - easiest way
> to find them is to search under my ebay name:
> hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk
> Of special note is the Saxon Claud Butler twin seat tube bicycle - these
> were only made for a three or four years at the most around 1951-4 and
> consequently are really quite rare. This one additionally has the very
> attractive All rounder bilaminated lugs - most were simply fillet brazed.
>
> STURMEY ARCHER GEAR MANUAL 1948
> CAMPAGNOLO BAR END GEAR CONTROLS NOS
> CAMPAGNOLO NUOVO RECORD REAR GEAR early
> BLUEMELS FEATHERWEIGHT PUMP
> CAMPAGNOLO OPEN C SHIFT LEVERS Band-on
> CELLULOID HANDLEBAR GRIPS NOS
> WILLIAMS AB77 SPLINED COTTERLESS CHAINSET
> BROOKS B57 SWALLOW SADDLE
> CAMPAGNOLO STEEL SEATPIN 27.2mm
> SAXON CLAUD BUTLER twin seat tube cycle 1952 23in
>
> regards
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
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> Message: 24
> From: "Janis Johnson" <picabo58@earthlink.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:36:38 -0800
> Subject: [CR]e-Bay outting
>
> e-Bay goodies up for auction:
>
> NOS Magistroni "Super Zenith" cranks, circa 1964.
> http://ebay.com/
>
> also...
>
> Huret Alvit 1st Gen. Derailleur set from 1958.
> http://ebay.com/
>
> ...just for starters. More to come Wednesday. Stay tuned.
>
> Jan "Maa-jis-troh-nee" Johnson (Ooooh! Did I just say "jis"?)
> Portola Valley, CA
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> Message: 25
> From: Cantiflex@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:33:13 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bluemels Fender Sets On eBay
> To: monkeylad@mac.com, R.Delmare@Charter.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Never had any problems with them in 35 years of use......
> Maybe they like the British weather !!!!
> Ray Etherton GB
>
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