B2 i don't dispute any of this. but my question about '...define <built>' is more rhetorical than not; i know that you build your frames. marty and others mentioned the word 'built' or 'build' in their queries and i'm trying to discern the public's point of view as it pertains to the task of 'building', that is-when does saying, "he 'built' the frame" no longer have a literal translation. e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com Tel. 860.526.2059
On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:57:45 -0800 Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
writes:
> Richard,
>
> Here is my understanding about Faliero and "building" frames. He
> worked
> for the well know firm of Gloria just before the war. Shortly
> after,
> about 1946 or '47 he began to make his own frames. It is safe to
> assume
> that at that time he built them all himself. Those would be the
> "real
> deal" by this deffinition. By 1954, 7 to 8 years later I don't have
> a
> problem imagining he was still doing it himself. Maybe had a helper
> around the shop, gee maybe his son Alberto, helped his father with a
> few
> things to make life easier. Somewhere along the line subcontractors
> or
> additional help was engaged.
>
> My feeling is that instead of discussing what we are not sure about,
> we
> need to get someone who is fully capable to do an extensive
> interview
> with Alberto before it's too late. We need to collect the
> "important"
> questions in advance so we can get the information we are after in
> addition to what Alberto will add. I know he loves to talk and
> would
> most likely be VERY flattered to tell us the history of Masi. May I
> suggest that perhaps Dale try to get Alberto to be a guest at Le
> Cirque
> 2003. I'm sure the attendees would find that experience most
> exceptional.
>
> It is not inconcievable for Faliero to still be building at least
> some
> of the Masi labled frames after only 8 years of being in business.
> Ever
> made a frame all buy yourself, Richie? Not exactly hard to do, now
> is
> it? I also happen to know that Faliero actually built a frame while
> in
> Carlsbad. It went to Hill Cycle in PA and it was originally dark
> blue
> metallic. I think it was a 60 cm frame. I remember a some
> scuttlebutt
> about the fact that it was a "little rough". He had been "retired"
> 15
> years, meaning he hadn't built a frame himself, for that period
> from
> what I understand. Again, do the math. That would come out to 1958
> as
> the approximate time when Faliero just ran the business and
> assembled
> the finished product as they were delivered to him. My guess is that
> is
> a fair place to start, pending better information from Alberto.
>
> Let's put our efforts into getting this information directly from
> Alberto before it's too late. There is no doubt he can shed light on
> a
> great number of our questions.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> No need to speculate, we still have access to the source of the
> information we seek.
> >
> > snipped from below:
> > <When did Faliero stop building frames ? >
> >
> > define "building frames"
> > that would help quantify and qualify the
> > term "real deal".
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:38:30 -0500 (EST) <mmeison@scubadiving.com>
> writes:
> > > Ok, some Masi talk.
> > >
> > > How many "real deal" Masi's were imported to the U.S.?
> > > When did Faliero stop building frames ?
> > > How unlikely is one to find a real deal frame nowadays
> > > (be it a Masi, De Rosa, Colnago, etc.)?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Marty "can't think of anything catchy" Eison
> > > Dallas, Texas