Re: [CR]Making Frames for Fun and Profit

(Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi)

From: <nickzz@mindspring.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Making Frames for Fun and Profit
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:02:15 -0500

Why buy a Sachs,Baylis,Weigle,etc versus a premium quality production frame?

Reason Sachs,Baylis,Weigle Production

Price + ++

Construction ++ +

Attn to Details +++ ++

Custom Options ++++ ++

MOJO ++++++++++ +++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++++

Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:42:08 -0500 Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote:
> snipped:
> Brian Baylis writes:
> 1) ... frames built for commerce can probably
> be said
> to not differ significantly between a
> single hand and an
> experienced crew. And if you do build
> frames alone and
> they are no better than a crew then why are
> you building them??
> 2) It's all well and good to write this stuff
> to the list, but
> when are we going to collectivly undertake
> some scientific
> experiments?
> Brian Baylis
>
> 1) your first sentence says you 'agree' with
> the issue. but-
> all frames are built for commerce. you take
> money for them,
> don't you?
> and 'better'? that opens up another
> discussion. i pointed out that
> i thnk the bicycle's 'ride' (uh. what's the
> 'ride'?!) essentially
> comes from the frame's design. thus, two
> frames made
> similarly will ride alike. as i wrote,
> issues regarding fit,
> constructon qualities (alignment,
> longevity...), details,
> etcetera, are not part of the question of
> John L.'s that
> i attempted to answer.
> why am i building them? i like to build
> them. it's a
> challenge. i need income. i don't want to
> be someone's
> boss.
> 2) we'll never do it. life will continue to
> 'get in the way'.
> even if there was time, why bother? there
> will always be
> a need and demand for both bespoke off the
> rack.
> price, for many, will always be the issue.
> sacrificing a little
> exclusivity at the expense of the ease of
> going to the mall
> to pick up a new bicycle will continue to
> be the norm as
> it's always been.
> there are no concrete answers to this issue
> of why buy one
> over the other. these are emotional choices,
> not practical
> ones.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct