Re: [CR]An error in the Cinelli Registry ??

(Example: Framebuilders:Brian Baylis)

From: "Brian Baylis" <rocklube@adnc.com>
To: Mark Petry <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]An error in the Cinelli Registry ??
References: <000601c292a6$06cefc90$0200000a@SKIDROW>
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:45:27 -0800

Mark,

It might informative to ask Dave Staub if he remembers anything about such a thing as a lightweight version Cinelli frame. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if there was. He was hanging around the Cinelli shop in about 1956-57 as a young racer and would probably know if such a thing was available upon special order for special customers, etc. I remember also that Peter Johnson was storing a Bianchi track frame of some antiquity a while ago that was most deffinitely a special lightweight frame. The tubing was available; I suspect they found occassions to use it. I suspect many framebuilders produced special order frames of special lightweight material. I have a track frame I built myself in my collection that was made out of the earlier version of Columbus Record tubing. Mario called the stuff "tre decime"(sp?) which means "3 tenths" in Italian. He said it was .3mm straight gauge. The later Record tubes are supposedly .5mm.

If anyone recalls, Marios personal Masi that he built in Carlsbad, currently the property of Ted Kirkbride, was built with PL tubes and is a 59cm frame. Only the fork is heavy, being built with SP track blades. I get from this that the Italians did make such things on special occassions and for certain curcumstances.

I also currently have in my shop for restoration a Pogliaghi frame, full chrome and built in probably 1974 or'75 as a guess; that was probably made from Reynolds 531 SL or something. It's noticably light and is a larger as opposed to smaller frame as well. Scary combination under production circumstances one would think, and yet here it is nearly 30 years later in for round two. Yes, it will be restored to full chrome AGAIN!

I'd say these things exist but are not common. Anyone else?

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA There has been a box of Krispy Kremes in my 'fridge for almost a week and there are still 5 1/2 of them left. Is that a world record? I must be loosing my taste for them. Some of these might find a second life as a hockey puck.
>
> Some interest recently generated by Angel Garcia's posting that spoke of
> a "special lightweight" Cinelli with a drilled / milled bottom bracket
> led me to go back to the registry - where had I seen that before?
> Comments on one of the bikes (belonging to a list member) said "milled
> bottom bracket" - so I wrote to the owner, who replied back that HIS
> Cinelli had no such milling.
>
> So, there's an error in the Registry - horrors! Who has a Cinelli with
> milling or drilling under the BB? Any speculation on why this
> modification was done to just a few frames? A frame recently sold by
> Richard Sachs also features BB milling. It does not look like
> aftermarket work. Was there in fact a "lightweight" model as Mr. Garcia
> describes ? I remember no such thing, but it was before my time.
>
> If your Cinelli has holes in the BB, please email me so I can correct
> the Registry...
>
> http://www.petry.org/markp/cinolog.htm
>
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