I just picked up an old frame and fork from a fellow list member in trade. While removing the paint I found a marking on the top of the BB shell. PAT JUNE 11, 85. Not 1985 but 1885. I guess it is older than I thought. I plan on making a bike to ride around on out of it. If anyone is interested or can help identify that old of a bike get a hold of me off list and I can send a PIC
Sam DiBartolomeo Riverside CA