There is only one british painter to refinish a Raleigh Frame complete with "decals" or transfers as we poms call them. That is Phil Insley who was the painter at Ilkeston and finished all the team frames. He has all the original Raleigh paints and produces a brilliant job. He trades as: Skill Enamellers, Unit E6, The Ropewalk Industrial Centre, The Ropewalk, Ilkeston, Derbyshire, DE7 5HX. Telephone: (0115) 930 1976. He is aware that I have posted his details on this site.
Mike Mullett
Reading UK
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> 1. Re: Tubular gluing strips (Jon M. Schaer)
> 2. Tape and tubs(was:Re: [CR]Tubulars? tubulars........
(ABikie@aol.com)
> 3. RE: Viking sighting on Bainbridge Island (Mark Petry)
> 4. Re: Cyclart and Issues (Steve Neago)
> 5. Tommasin Circa 1979 (brad stockwell)
> 6. Re: Decals - a nice story (John Everett)
> 7. Re: Where have all the Italia leather saddles gone? (John
Pergolizzi)
> 8. RE: Cyclart and Issues (Rod Kronenberg)
> 9. Re: Cyclart and Issues (John Pergolizzi)
> 10. RE: Universal Timeline (Kurt Sperry)
> 11. Re: Cyclart and Issues (Thomas R. Adams, Jr.)
> 12. Re: Cyclart and Issues (LouDeeter@aol.com)
> 13. RE: RE: Universal Timeline (David Bilenkey)
> 14. Universal 61 1961-1978 (brian blum)
> 15. Universal 61 1961-1978 (brian blum)
> 16. Re: Tubulars? tubulars........ (Charles T. Young)
> 17. RE: RE: Universal Timeline (Mark Bulgier)
> 18. Re: Cyclart and Issues (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 19. RE: RE: Universal Timeline (Paul Williams)
> 20. Re: Where have all the Italia leather saddles gone? (Chuck Schmidt)
> 21. Re: UNKNOWN ARTISANS (Richard M Sachs)
> 22. Re: Trademark infringement? (Richard M Sachs)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "Jon M. Schaer" <jschaer@columbus.rr.com>
> To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>,
> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Tubular gluing strips
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:58:54 -0500
>
> I think some other company tried marketing a similar product a few years
> back. I might use them for touring use but wouldn't race on them, and
> probably wouldn't trust them for mtn descents.
>
> Normal sew-up mastic (contact cement) relies on an adhesive to adhesive
> bond. Dried layers of glue are established on both the rim and the tire
base
> tape, and a final tacky layer is used to hold the tire in place. I
wouldn't
> think one tacky surface would be sufficient to keep the tire from creeping
> or rolling off in more extreme circumstances.
>
> Jon Schaer
> Columbus, OH
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: ABikie@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:55:26 EST
> Subject: Tape and tubs(was:Re: [CR]Tubulars? tubulars........
> To: twrawson@worldnet.att.net, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 12/8/2002 5:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> twrawson@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
>
> > Subj:[CR]Tubulars? tubulars........
> > Date:12/8/2002 5:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > From:<A
HREF="mailto:twrawson@worldnet.att.net">twrawson@worldnet.att.net</A>
> > To:<A
HREF="mailto:Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org">Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org<
/A>
> > Sent from the Internet
> >
> >
> >
> > Have been following the tubular/clincher thread and having never
> > gone there (tubular) feel the gravitational pull....
> >
> > Does anyone know about Tufo tubular gluing strips? Does it make
> > life easier? Any effect on performance?
> > Heres a URL
> > http://worldclasscycles.com/
> >
> > Tom Rawson
> > Oakland, CA
> >
>
> As a devout tubular devotee for over 34 years (ever since my original
> Paramount came with DelMundos)
> I have used cement and hgave come upwith my own methods of stretching,
> affixing, and caring for the tubs.
> Even though I'd been a race inspector for years, DQ-ing many a
roller-to-be,
> I once punctured 10 minutes before a squirrely circuit race in Ottawa.
> I did an emergency tubendectomy.
> I smeared a thincoat of cement on the previously-glued rim and a thincoad
on
> a barely-aged tub.
> The old Dodge wagon had been sitting in the sun for hours near the start,
so
> I used the 140 degree backseat oven to bake both, and minuted before the
gun,
> i smacked them together like a contact cement job.
> Ordinarily I usually apply a wetcoat to the rim, letting it desolve the
> hardened glue from the previous applications.
> After tacky, another wetcoat and ease on the barely-inflated tub., inflate
a
> bit more and center.
>
>
> At the recent Interbike roller race, I made a deal with Conti for some way
> light Sonderklasses and had no cement.
> With rcrank RPM's in the 200 range, the wheels would be going 1200 RPM and
> nobody wants a separation in front of a crowd, nor do any spectators
> appreciate mastice gutta in their locks or duds.
> So, the fine folk at Tufo were kind enough to retailme a couple of wads of
> their tubular tape.
> I installed it the obvious way,peeling it away from the release tape and
> sticking it to the rim, then pressing it into the rim.
> After that, the release tape was removed and the partially-inflated tub to
> the taped rim.
>
> Because the tapeis really tacky, unlike the gooier cement, the tub must be
> 'lifted and placed' onto the tape and cannot be 'eased' onto the rim bed
from
> the side.
>
> The Contis were tight and hed to be lifted and placed a few more times.
> Later, when I went by the Tufo booth to let them know we made it all
happen
> in time, I learned embarassinglt that I put the wrong side to the rim.
> Apparently, I should have applied the top, stickier side to the rim and
the
> 'gooier' side to the tire, allowing some of this placement adjustment.
>
> We have the tape in stock and it's somewhere about $5, but your local shop
> might have it too.
>
> Larry Black
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Viking sighting on Bainbridge Island
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:57:16 -0800
>
> David, I suspect that the sign MEANT is that "this frame is a replica of
> a 1950 SBU Tracker".
>
> It is new. Came out of the box from Trevor last week.
>
> =====================================================
> Mark Petry 206.618.9642
> Beautiful Bainbridge Island, WA
> mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net
> =====================================================
> "When I see an adult riding a bicycle, it gives
> me faith in the future of humankind."
>
> H. G. Wells, 1944
> =====================================================
>
>
>
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Viking sighting on Bainbridge Island
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:40:12 -0500
>
> If this is "a genuine vintage bike produced in 2002" then why does the
> sign
> say:
>
> VIKING
> SBU TRACKER
> c. 1950
>
> ??
>
> David Bilenkey
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> To: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <coloradovrs@earthlink.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:10:30 -0500
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I am glad to hear that you had a positive experience with CyclArt. You
are
> the first of 12 responses to be to claim a satisfying deal. Too bad the
> other 11 were not satisfied customers with sad stories.
>
> Regards, Steve Neago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <coloradovrs@earthlink.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:48 PM
> Subject: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
>
> > I had an experience with Jim Cunningham during his time at the San
Marcos
> > facility. He refinished my '76 Albert Eisentraut LIMITED. He did a
> > FANTASTIC job! He was honest and had numerous constructive suggestions
on
> > how to do the frame.
> >
> > Spend the money and you won't have to whine about getting decals to have
> > someone else do it. Jim is the best there is. I know he has a few
> enemies
> > on this list and I want to offer my unconnected, unbiased opinion of his
> > work and ethics. He won't just give you decals, he has integrity. If I
> had
> > to do again, now 10 years later, I would!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Van Remortel
> > Colorado Springs, CO
> > 40 and cold : (
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:19:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [CR]Tommasin Circa 1979
> To: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
>
> Tommasini Fans:
>
> About a month ago someone was asking for Tommasini material...
>
> I just now managed to upload a picture of a 1979 Tommasini to an
imagestation album. Tommasini frames used to have a coin-like design on the
fork crown kinda like a Gios. The picture shows shift levers with an extra
trigger, indicating that the short-lived Campy chain hanger was installed.
In theory, the link below should take you there:
> http://www.imagestation.com/
>
> The picture album also contains a picture of a circa-78 Soma bicycle.
It has the orange-frame-and-black-DuraAce color scheme also seen on the
Centurian Pro and the Kabuchi (sp?) Diamond Road. Well-panto'd seatpost.
>
> Hope the link works; if not - well you're entitled to a full refund!
>
> Brad Stockwell
> Palo Alto
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> From: "John Everett" <jeverett3@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:28:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [CR]Decals - a nice story
>
> On 7 Dec 2002 at 20:29, H.M. & S.S. Sachs wrote:
>
> > I certainly never had the presence of mind (and emotional
> > investment?) to think ahead far enough to order the decal
> > sets. Did you?
>
> While hardly a classic, several years ago I decided to do a complete
> refurb of my Vitus 992, purchased new in 1992. Giro Poste in
> Toronto had a complete set of 992 decals listed on their web site, so
> I ordered a set and proceeded to strip off the old (cracked and
> faded) ones. When the new ones arrived it was clear Vitus had
> radically changed the decals.
>
> I called Colorado Cyclist, where I had purchased the bike, and was
> told they did indeed have a couple of decal sets; but Vitus required
> that I supply a serial number before they would sell a set. I
> purchased these and decided that I should have at least a spare set
> in the event the new ones deteriorated like the originals did.
>
> CC agreed to sell another set, but said they couldn't sell them on the
> same serial number I had just used. Fortunately I have a friend with
> the same bike, so I used his serial number. Turns out CC had one
> complete set and some odds and ends. They sold me their entire
> remaining stock of 992 decals which today reside in a file folder
> against the time they might be needed.
>
> jeverett3@earthlink.net (John V. Everett)
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>,
> "Classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Where have all the Italia leather saddles gone?
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:31:50 -0500
>
> Sold one on e-bay this summer . Got $292.50!! The God s forgave my
> indescression by gifting to me (FREEBEE!) the same model ,in better
shape.
> I will not make the same mistake twice. That's My reason...
> and I'm sticking to that too.
> ciao,
> JohnT.Pergolizzi
> nice 50mi.at Prospect Park
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: "Classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:46 PM
> Subject: [CR]Where have all the Italia leather saddles gone?
>
>
> > We frequently see older Brooks saddles from the 60's and earlier come up
> for
> > sale or auction. Similarly we see Ideale saddles as well. But it seems
we
> > don't see any Italia leather saddles from the 60's for sale or auction.
> > Anyone care to postulate why? Or point out all the Italia saddles I've
> > missed?
> >
> > Reason I ask is I'm looking for two for projects and I can't say I
recall
> > ever seeing any for sale...
> >
> > David Bilenkey
> > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: "Rod Kronenberg" <rodk3d@attbi.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:42:04 -0700
>
> Surely we must have better things to do than bash Cyclart. I have not
> dealt with them personally, but if they were not a reputable company
> they would not have been in business this long. In dealing with the
> "public", one runs into all types of people and personalities, sometimes
> personalities just clash.
>
> A week or so ago we were bashing an overseas e-bayer who goes by Collabo
> (I think that is right). I read quite a few horror stories of this guy,
> yet he has hundreds of positive feedbacks with just a few negatives. A
> good friend of mine just purchased a MINT, Super Record De Rosa from him
> for $500. My friend has upwards of 50 vintage bikes and I'll quote him
> on the deal: "if I had a date with Julia Roberts, I'd ride this bike".
> Obviously he's a happy camper on the deal. He also said he feels
> "Collabo" is honest, you just have to ask many prudent questions so
> there are no misunderstandings. I would imagine the same is true with
> Jim Cunningham.
>
>
>
> Rod Kronenberg
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Steve Neago
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 5:11 PM
> To: Bruce & Marie Van Remortel; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I am glad to hear that you had a positive experience with CyclArt. You
> are
> the first of 12 responses to be to claim a satisfying deal. Too bad the
> other 11 were not satisfied customers with sad stories.
>
> Regards, Steve Neago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <coloradovrs@earthlink.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:48 PM
> Subject: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
>
> > I had an experience with Jim Cunningham during his time at the San
> Marcos
> > facility. He refinished my '76 Albert Eisentraut LIMITED. He did a
> > FANTASTIC job! He was honest and had numerous constructive
> suggestions on
> > how to do the frame.
> >
> > Spend the money and you won't have to whine about getting decals to
> have
> > someone else do it. Jim is the best there is. I know he has a few
> enemies
> > on this list and I want to offer my unconnected, unbiased opinion of
> his
> > work and ethics. He won't just give you decals, he has integrity. If
> I
> had
> > to do again, now 10 years later, I would!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Van Remortel
> > Colorado Springs, CO
> > 40 and cold : (
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>,
> "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <coloradovrs@earthlink.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:00:59 -0500
>
> Just counted the responses I received off list and on over the last 5
days.
> Results:
> 1-lets stop bashing(started me off)
> 2-satisfied
> 8-got rooked,are pissed,and other expletives deleted.
> 3-phone calls(and one more to come) from potential future customers.
>
> My math says that that's a 20% chance of "satisfaction".
>
> There are non so blind as those who will not see.
>
> I have said my piece, taken my survey, and presented the results.
> Enjoy.
> JohnT.Pergolizzi
> New York,New York
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> To: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <coloradovrs@earthlink.net>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
>
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > I am glad to hear that you had a positive experience with CyclArt. You
> are
> > the first of 12 responses to be to claim a satisfying deal. Too bad the
> > other 11 were not satisfied customers with sad stories.
> >
> > Regards, Steve Neago
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <coloradovrs@earthlink.net>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:48 PM
> > Subject: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> >
> >
> > > I had an experience with Jim Cunningham during his time at the San
> Marcos
> > > facility. He refinished my '76 Albert Eisentraut LIMITED. He did a
> > > FANTASTIC job! He was honest and had numerous constructive
suggestions
> on
> > > how to do the frame.
> > >
> > > Spend the money and you won't have to whine about getting decals to
have
> > > someone else do it. Jim is the best there is. I know he has a few
> > enemies
> > > on this list and I want to offer my unconnected, unbiased opinion of
his
> > > work and ethics. He won't just give you decals, he has integrity. If
I
> > had
> > > to do again, now 10 years later, I would!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Van Remortel
> > > Colorado Springs, CO
> > > 40 and cold : (
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:06:30 -0500
> From: kurtsperry@netscape.net (Kurt Sperry)
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]RE: Universal Timeline
>
> Listmembers,
>
> Just to add my somewhat hazy recollections (if you remember the '70s...),
I seem to recall as well seeing Mod. 61 centerpulls as OEM well into the
'70s although I thought that Bottechia Pros were ordinarily fitted with
Campagnolo sidepulls by the early '70s.
>
> "Minty" better hit the shower Kurt Sperry in
> chilly but clear Bellingham WA
>
> --
> http://fineartscrimshaw.com
>
>
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> Message: 11
> From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 01:12:56 +0000
>
>
> Do we really want to keep hacking away at this? Cycleart has been in
business for years, so the satisfied customers must outnumber the
dissatisfied by a hefty percentage, or else they would have gone belly up a
long time ago. Certainly given the way this topic has been presented, you
won't get any kind of valid statistical data because satisfied customers
want to see the topic die, while unhappy customers are grinding their axes.
>
> For what it's worth, I bought a bike from the Cunninghams a few years
ago. Cycleart was very knowledgeable, helpful and polite, and they
delivered an excellent work product. I purchased a bike from them, and had
them repaint it before sending to to me. I wouldn't hesitate to do business
with them again. Add me to the 100% satisfied list.
>
> Tom Adams, Eatontown NJ.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Steve Neago"
>
>
> >To: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel"
> ,
>
>
> >Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
> >Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:10:30 -0500
>
> >
>
> >Hi Bruce,
>
> >
>
> >I am glad to hear that you had a positive experience with CyclArt. You
are
>
> >the first of 12 responses to be to claim a satisfying deal. Too bad the
>
> >other 11 were not satisfied customers with sad stories.
>
> >
>
> >Regards, Steve Neago
>
> >
>
> >----- Original Message -----
>
> >From: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel"
>
>
> >To:
>
>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:48 PM
>
> >Subject: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > I had an experience with Jim Cunningham during his time at the San
Marcos
>
> > > facility. He refinished my '76 Albert Eisentraut LIMITED. He did a
>
> > > FANTASTIC job! He was honest and had numerous constructive suggestions
on
>
> > > how to do the frame.
>
> > >
>
> > > Spend the money and you won't have to whine about getting decals to
have
>
> > > someone else do it. Jim is the best there is. I know he has a few
>
> >enemies
>
> > > on this list and I want to offer my unconnected, unbiased opinion of
his
>
> > > work and ethics. He won't just give you decals, he has integrity. If I
>
> >had
>
> > > to do again, now 10 years later, I would!
>
> > >
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Bruce Van Remortel
>
> > > Colorado Springs, CO
>
> > > 40 and cold : (
>
> > >
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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>
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> Message: 12
> From: LouDeeter@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:20:06 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> I've never had a bike painted by Cyclart. I haven't met Jim C. either. I
> have done business with him. And, when I started to put the Used Bike
Buyers
> Guide together about 10 years ago, Jim C. was one of the few people who
> responded to my request for help--and, a number of the non-responders are
> members of this list. Jim willingly gave of his time, agreed to offer the
> guide for sale in his shop, and provided very valuable tips on inspecting
and
> grading condition for frames. I know there are people who don't like him,
> whether personally or business related. But, I believe he has contributed
> positively to this hobby and doesn't deserve the public thrashing that is
> being thrown at him. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]RE: Universal Timeline
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:21:48 -0500
>
> Just to clarify something,
>
> I'm fairly certain that the Universal centerpulls seen in the 70's as OEM
> were not Mod.61s. I have a single centerpull caliper that is mid 70's
> vintage and it just has UNIVERSAL on the front arm, no model designation.
> The casting shape may well be derived from the 61 but the branding is
> different. Also interestingly the washers under the pivot bolts are red
and
> silver, not the blue and silver seen on the 61s and 68s. Perhaps red was
to
> designate OEM stuff? Just speculating.
>
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Kurt Sperry
> > Sent: December 8, 2002 8:07 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]RE: Universal Timeline
> >
> >
> > Listmembers,
> >
> > Just to add my somewhat hazy recollections (if you remember the
> > '70s...), I seem to recall as well seeing Mod. 61 centerpulls as
> > OEM well into the '70s although I thought that Bottechia Pros
> > were ordinarily fitted with Campagnolo sidepulls by the early '70s.
> >
> > "Minty" better hit the shower Kurt Sperry in
> > chilly but clear Bellingham WA
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:25:36 -0800
> From: "brian blum" <bbspokes@lycos.com>
> Reply-To: bbspokes@lycos.com
> Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80)
> Subject: [CR]Universal 61 1961-1978
>
> I remember that Bike Warehouse sold the Universal 61 brakeset for $16 on
closeout. I believe I saw this ad in a 1978 summer edition of Bicycling. I
remember this coincided with my nightmare gas station job around the time
of the 2nd energy crisis. Check those back issues. Could be that they were
produced after that but CP were going out of fashion by then.
>
>
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> Message: 15
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:25:51 -0800
> From: "brian blum" <bbspokes@lycos.com>
> Reply-To: bbspokes@lycos.com
> Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80)
> Subject: [CR]Universal 61 1961-1978
>
> I remember that Bike Warehouse sold the Universal 61 brakeset for $16 on
closeout. I believe I saw this ad in a 1978 summer edition of Bicycling. I
remember this coincided with my nightmare gas station job around the time
of the 2nd energy crisis. Check those back issues. Could be that they were
produced after that but CP were going out of fashion by then. Brian in
Berkeley
>
>
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> Message: 16
> From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Tubulars? tubulars........
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:40:16 -0500
>
> Tom:
>
> You've got to do the glue thing. Your experience just wouldn't be complete
> without it.
>
> Charlie "I love the smell of Mastik1* in the morning, it smells like
> victory" Young
>
> *apologies to Robert Duvall, insert your favorite glue here - Tubasti,
> Continental, etc.
>
> Charles T. Young
> Honeybrook. PA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 5:29 PM
> Subject: [CR]Tubulars? tubulars........
>
>
> > Have been following the tubular/clincher thread and having never
> > gone there (tubular) feel the gravitational pull....
> >
> > Does anyone know about Tufo tubular gluing strips? Does it make
> > life easier? Any effect on performance?
> > Heres a URL
> > http://worldclasscycles.com/
> >
> > Tom Rawson
> > Oakland, CA
> >
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> Message: 17
> From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]RE: Universal Timeline
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:55:48 -0800
>
>
> David Bilenkey wrote:
> >
> > I'm fairly certain that the Universal centerpulls seen in the
> > 70's as OEM were not Mod.61s. I have a single centerpull caliper
> > that is mid 70's vintage and it just has UNIVERSAL on the front
> > arm, no model designation.
>
> I bought a '74 Grand Record with Mod. 61s, stamped as such (still have
'em).
> I considered but decided I couldn't afford the Bottecchia Pro, also with
> 61s. I believe you could also order the Bottecchia with Campy, but that
> would have been way out of my price range, and my LBS only had the
Universal
> version anyway.
>
> I've seen the brakes marked simply UNIVERSAL, assumed they were a cheaper
> model.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, Wa
> USA
>
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>
> Message: 18
> From: "Jerry & Liz Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <LouDeeter@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:41:08 -0600
>
> I have to agree, I had a 1973 LeJeune restored by CyclArt a few years ago.
> New paint, decals, pinstriping, rechroming. Everything was very well
done.
> It was not cheap, almost $1,000, but that was in large part due to the
high
> cost of chroming today. If you want cheap, go elsewhere, but CyclArt does
> deliver a quality job if you are willing to pay for it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LouDeeter@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclart and Issues
>
>
> > I've never had a bike painted by Cyclart. I haven't met Jim C. either.
I
> > have done business with him. And, when I started to put the Used Bike
> Buyers
> > Guide together about 10 years ago, Jim C. was one of the few people who
> > responded to my request for help--and, a number of the non-responders
are
> > members of this list. Jim willingly gave of his time, agreed to offer
the
> > guide for sale in his shop, and provided very valuable tips on
inspecting
> and
> > grading condition for frames. I know there are people who don't like
him,
> > whether personally or business related. But, I believe he has
contributed
> > positively to this hobby and doesn't deserve the public thrashing that
is
> > being thrown at him. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
> >
> >
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> Message: 19
> From: "Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]RE: Universal Timeline
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:50:21 -0500
>
> David, Brian, Mark etc.,
>
> I am not sure how helpful this may be - it may just add to the =
> confusion.=20
>
> The Bicyclesport, Toronto, catalogue for Spring 1980 was still listing =
> Mod.61 alongside Super Mod.68, Corsa Mod.77, and 'Competizione' Mod. CX. =
>
>
> Their entry for the Mod.61 reads "a very well designed centre pull =
> brake. Supplied with the very popular Universal lever with rubber hood." =
>
>
> The Super Mod.68 is described as "the old favourite"!
>
> It seems that the same lever was being sold with both the Mod.61 and =
> Mod.68 at that time.
>
> Paul Williams,
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:08:27 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Where have all the Italia leather saddles gone?
>
> David Bilenkey wrote:
> >
> > We frequently see older Brooks saddles from the 60's and earlier come up
for
> > sale or auction. Similarly we see Ideale saddles as well. But it seems
we
> > don't see any Italia leather saddles from the 60's for sale or auction.
> > Anyone care to postulate why? Or point out all the Italia saddles I've
> > missed?
>
> This one is easy...
>
> Italia saddles came as original equipment on lots of Italian bikes but
> the saddles weren't imported.
>
> Brooks and Ideale have been imported all along. And Brooks were
> considered the best of the best for a very long time. Many pros,
> including Fausto Coppi, used Brooks saddes (always butchered).
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
>
> .
>
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>
> Message: 21
> To: pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:13:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CR] UNKNOWN ARTISANS
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>
>
> <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> Similarly at Ernie Whitcombe' in Deptford in
> > 1973 there wre at least five builders in his workshop but what were
> > their names.
>
>
> barry, david cotton, phillip ?, jim collyer (SP?), &
> charles burton are the only names i remember.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
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>
> Message: 22
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:23:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CR]Trademark infringement?
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>
> snipped:
> "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com> writes:
> What is to prevent a CyclArt from coming out with, say
> for the sake of discussion, a unauthorized Cinelli frame
> of CyclArt own making?
>
> WTF?
> e-RICHIE
> Richard Sachs Cycles
> No.9, North Main Street
> Chester, CT 06412 USA
> http://www.richardsachs.com
> Tel. 860.526.2059
>
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