Re: Fwd: [CR]Raleigh International bb spindle

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From: "r cielec" <>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [CR]Raleigh International bb spindle
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:11:20 -0800 (PST)

Thanks. How does one identify crank arms, early (1967-early 1977) vs. late (mid-1977-1986)? Also, perhaps esoteric, perhaps not: Is there any drive train or Q-factor alignment advantage to using the early arm-late spindle combination to position arms and chain ring outboard the 1.5mm? (That is, for normal riders, not to accomodate any special anatomical condition.) wrote:Hello Richard:

112mm, Nuovo Record was the original BB on this bike.

This was the same from 1967-1977, then changed in length to 114.5 from 1977-1986 (end of Production of Nuovo & Super Record).

Make sure, though, that you match up spindle and crank arms - the arms also changed in mid-1977. You can put an early arm on a late spindle, (moves it outboard 1.5mm), but a late arm on an early spindle may possibly put the inner 'ring too close to the chainstay.



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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: r cielec <> To: Classic Rendezvous <> Subject: [CR]Raleigh International bb spindle

Re: Raleigh International circa 1969 - 1971; NR crank, double

What is proper bottom bracket spindle length?


Chicago, Illinois
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: campagnolo 2 bolt seat post design/removal (Chuck Schmidt) 2. Re: Dead Tour bikes: was dead horse (Richard M Sachs) 3. Raleigh International bb spindle (r cielec) 4. Vintage bike rides (Brian Baylis) 5. campagnolo 2 bolt seat post design/removal (Pete Imandt) 6. Re: campagnolo 2 bolt seat post design/removal (Steven m Johnson) 7. Re: Vintage bike rides (in SoCal) (Chuck Schmidt)


Message: 1 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:13:33 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: [CR]campagnolo 2 bolt seat post design/removal

Mike Waite wrote:
> I've just changed saddles on a Campag 2 bolt seatpin this morning.
> Loosen both bolts the same amount, until you can turn the top clip of the
> saddle clamp through 90 degrees. Then move the saddle forward, releasing it
> through the wider rails at the rear of the saddle

The trick to keeping your saddle adjustment the same when you remove and replace the same saddle is to only loosen the rear bolt. You don't have to remove the rear bolt, just loosen it enough that you can rotate the rear top clamp 90° and then tilt the nose of the saddle down to rotate the front top clamp 90° too.

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal



Message: 2 To: Cc: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:49:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [CR]Dead Tour bikes: was dead horse From: Richard M Sachs

snipped: writes: Listers, E-Richie got it right. Moutainbikes killed the lugged steel frame, in the Tour and the marketplace. ********************************** at the risk of being redundant, here is my post from which the 'above' could be considered taken abit out of context. (posted last thursday)

snipped: the reason, in essence, that there are no lugged frames is this (and this is a VERY GENERAL overview...): in the 80s, companies of all shapes and sizes turned to mtb frames as their cash cow. with this came a complete indifference to the prevous era's road bicycle's conventions. lugs, and using lugs to make frames, is/was not a better way, it was _'the way'_ to join the tubes. over the past 20 years, this application was supplanted by other methods of doing the exact same thing-joining tubes. manufacturers embraced the 'other' ways, not because they were improvements in quality levels, but because it was a more efficient and profitable way to join tubes given the workforce available to them. with the advent of bigger tubes of both steel and aluminum, it would (have made) makes no sense to develop a lug system when other joining methods accomplish the exact same thing. using lugs has/had its good and its bad points. the same could be said for tig, etcetera. however, in this era it is unlikely that industry would embrace lug use for strictly emotional reasons. these lugged bicycles don't exist in the mainstream anymore due to economic reasons, not due to reasons relating to the industry's "working toward(s) a more competitive bike." e-RICHIE living outside the box in chester, ct


Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: r cielec To: Classic Rendezvous Subject: [CR]Raleigh International bb spindle

Re: Raleigh International circa 1969 - 1971; NR crank, double

What is proper bottom bracket spindle length?


Chicago, Illinois

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Message: 4 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:15:42 -0800 From: Brian Baylis Reply-To: To: Subject: [CR]Vintage bike rides

Hello Gang,

I had the pleasure finally to take my recently refinished '73 Colnago super out for a ride with some vintage guys yesterday. I finally got the tubular wheels on her, built on a pair of 32 hole Nisi rims I bought from Matteo at VRII. Rides some much sweeter with the tubular as opposed to the clincers.

The weather was very nice for a ride yesterday here in San Diego. Yeah, it was a bit windy with a slight chill to it out on Point Loma, but it winter for crying out loud. Mark Petry laughed as us locals were happy to be riding on such a beautiful day but still complaining a bit on account of the "slight chill" to the air. Hey, it's what we SoCal types do best; whine if the weather isn't perfect.

There were only five of us total yesterday including myself, Sterling Peters, and Mark Petry. We really did have a blast. I struggled up the climbs; fortunately I fitted a 7 spd FW (13-26) to the Colnago so I could get over the bumps. The der. on this bike (NR) wouldn't take my original 42-55 chainring combo so I fitted a 52T ring. I figured I'd not have the "overdrive gear" for the downhills, but it turns out I can still decend like a boulder pushed off a cliff in 52 x 13. No one can suck my wheel as I build up a head of steam and then tuck in for a coasting posture no one else can duplicate. Being a dwarf DOES have its advantages; just not while trying to reach a can of soup in the cupboard. We stopped in for lunch at Point Loma Seafoods where a warm cup of clam chowder and some coffee really hit the spot. And thanks Mark, for lunch. We finished up the ride back to Balboa Park in SD. Nothing like a brisk bike ride on Sunday to inspire me to inspect my eyelids for holes and light leaks when I get home. No wonder lots of Euro-Pros come here for the winter to train. The terrain, the weather, and the framebuilders here are all so nice! ;-)

Hope everyone else had a wonderful holiday and a great vintage ride to cap it off.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Waiting for the first snow in San Diego. Should happen within the next 25 years or so! It has, you know.


Message: 5 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:57:59 -0800 Subject: [CR]campagnolo 2 bolt seat post design/removal From: Pete Imandt To: , Kevin Gregor


To remove, there's no need to loosen both bolts with a wrench -- just really loosen the rear bolt and the front one will slack as the clamp assembly pivots naturally. Before I got my Campy wrench, to adjust I used a standard wrench on the rear bolt after setting the front one with finger pressure -- it's slow, but it works. However, there's a comfortable feeling of max mojo using the Campy wrench. Also, on the opposite end, the Campy item fits the adjusting nut on Brooks saddles.

Haven't there been previous comments about the simpatico between Campy and Brooks (and others)?

Pete Imandt Ramona, Sunny SoCal



Message: 6 To: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:49:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [CR]campagnolo 2 bolt seat post design/removal From: Steven m Johnson

On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:43:37 -0500 "kevin gregor" writes:
> Perhaps I'm approaching this the wrong way, but I'm a little confused
> about removing a saddle from a 2 bolt campagnolo seat post. Both of
> the
> bolts seem to be on the top of the clamp, and virtually inaccessible
> by
> my wrench. A new wrench may work, but what's up with this design?
> Any suggestions?

Listed on this page, but no photo, is the 70s solution.

Search for "THE Seat," by Cool Gear. The seat can be removed from the rails with a tire lever.

(I'm sure Larry knows right were they are :-))

Steven M. Johnson, Chesapeake, VA

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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:57:37 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: [CR]Vintage bike rides (in SoCal)

Meanwhile, a hundred miles to the north...

At the Rose Bowl, we had seven show up. The usual suspects as they say, plus a nice couple from San Jose, Chris and Rosa (might have the names wrong) on a Schwinn gent and lady tandem. Being 22 miles inland from the Pacific, we had perrrrfect 70 degrees without that nasty ocean breeze ;)

Bikes included the above mentioned Schwinn tandem, plus Guerciotti, twin plate Masi GC, Chris Kvale, Colnago Master, and Peter Johnson.

As usual, at the Beantown coffee stop mid ride we came "this close" to solving the latest world crisis and of course talked of eBay and gossip on teh ;) players.

I was doing an inaugural ride on the metallic green Peter Johnson loaner. The bike was shown at the recent Velo Rendezvous frame builder's symposium Friday and show Sunday, but the frame now sports a complete "drillium" group drilled and milled with Frank Spivey's fixtures by Peter a couple of weeks ago. The frame was built in 1975 when Peter was 18 and the Spivey fixtures for drilling all the parts were made in the late 60s and early 70s. A shockingly beautiful bike with a wonderful ride courtesy of a 10 1/2" bottom bracket height and 17" chain stays.

Article on Frank Spivey and his drilled and milled parts (also some PJ quotes):

I'll get pictures of the bike and the Frank Spivey fixtures for the drillium up on my website...

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal




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