Re: [CR]Re: Real Masi vs the American Forgeries

Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:59:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Real Masi vs the American Forgeries
From: Richard M Sachs <>

snip: <Must we really obsess over who made it?>

thanks, pete. you've hit the nail on the head. finally. the focus, or preoccupation with the owner/operator mentality is clearly an american one. and it really isn't all pervasive. mr. minolta didn't make my camera. mr. westinghouse doesn't make the oven. no one named 'levi' made the jeans i buy... why is it so important with this bicycle stuff. alas, in a 4 star restaurant, the chef is the celebrity. does he cook the meal? no f@^! way! in french, chef means 'chief', not 'cook'. (**). and, as is the case in the fine kitchens, the most senior member of a frame making concern is there to administer the work to be carried out, more often than not, in his image. in most places, there is no 'glory' in continuing to toil with your hands if you have the resources and manpower to pass on your skills to those on staff. otherwise, it wouldn't be a commercial entity able to span generations. and, yes, there will be good ones and bad ones. and some 'chefs' may choose to license their marques, adding further to the confusion, (tho' providing the mothership with added sources of income...). i know-it's all very confusing if you expect this to conform to your fantasy of how it was/should be done. the fact is that these companys were never one-man shops, nor were they ever trying to cling to the romantic notion that the guy who signs the checks should also work at a bench rather than a desk. e-RICHIE chester (**) corrections graciously accepted from the 3 francophiles on the list.

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:33:46 EDT writes:
> In a message dated 4/8/2002 9:16:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
> > (BTW, to bored non-Masi fans, I believe this discussion is larger
> than just
> > Masi applies to the craft and individualism that each
> craftsman
> > brings to bicycle making, whether it be Flying Scots, Rene Herse,
> Richard
> > Sachs or whatever.)
> >
> zzzzzzzzzz oh sorry, lost me for a sec.........
> You're right we could also discuss what constitutes a real Schwinn
> Paramount,
> or a real Rivendell, isn't a Reparto Corse Bianchi more real than a
> regular
> production model?
> A Legnano made under Bianchi ownership lacks a little compared to
> older
> models?
> A Raleigh Pro with fastback stays better than later models?
> Must we really obsess over who made it? If you've got a good example
> vs one
> with mistakes shouldn't you should be happy?
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA