[CR]RE: Seeking '72 Zefal Competition Frame Pump red/silver/blue

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From: "Dave Gerber" <dbgerber@earthlink.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:15:29 -0700
In-Reply-To: <CATFOOD0RnLJm2ZBNCo0000349c@catfood.nt.phred.org>
Subject: [CR]RE: Seeking '72 Zefal Competition Frame Pump red/silver/blue

Andrew Gorski is seeking a 72' Zefal Competition pump. I just happen to have that exact pump that I purchased new in 1972 with my Gitane TDF. I am willing to sell it. Can any of you (Andrew included) help me with a fair value for it. It is in good shape. It is used, after all, it is 30 years old, but the writing is legible and it works fine. I do have pics.

Thanks,

Dave

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Any spare web server space out there? (brucerobbins) 2. Re: Singer background-Now National Origin (LouDeeter@aol.com) 3. Re: Alex Singer. (LouDeeter@aol.com) 4. RE: slime ball kovacs in australia (Jeremiah Deneski) 5. FS: early 1960s Jack Taylor tandem 55/50 $600 (Mario Girasa) 6. PARTS FOR SALE (Helen Macvean) 7. Need Ohio listmember's help (wspokes@penn.com) 8. WTB: English BB & Headset (PaulieFlt@aol.com) 9. Alex Singer give-away!!!! (Tom Dalton) 10. ITALIAN parts I need (Aldo Ross) 11. Le Cirque: the continuing saga (Brian Baylis) 12. I need Bianchi decals (Aldo Ross) 13. Re: Alex Singer give-away!!!! (LouDeeter@aol.com) 14. RE: Alex Singer give-away!!!! (Mark Bulgier) 15. Re: Alex Singer give-away!!!! (Richard M Sachs) 16. Re: Alex Singer give-away!!!! (Chuck Schmidt) 17. Re: Alex Singer. (Chuck Schmidt) 18. Re: Alex Singer. (Chuck Schmidt) 19. Re: National Origin (Chuck Schmidt) 20. Seeking '72 Zefal Competition Frame Pump red/silver/blue (Andrew Gorski) 21. Re: Singer background (Steven M Johnson)

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Message: 1 From: "brucerobbins" <brucerobbins@supanet.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:08:02 +0100 Subject: [CR]Re: Any spare web server space out there?
> From: "Craig" <cgallegro@charter.net>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Publications. info, experts,brits,francos,and the list.

I believe a chap
> made a Brown Bros. catalog available for a reasonable cost and I was happy
> to get it.I think we need to value their time as much as we value the others
> who provide services we want or need.

Hi Craig,

I'm the guy who did the Brown Brothers catalogues on CD. As much info from the CDs as possible will be going on the new British French web site. There's going to be an awful lot that can't go on, though, because of a lack of space.

You're talking about maybe 500mbs of scans. I'm not an "expert" when it comes to web-related stuff-I'm not even an enthusiast-but is there anybody with server space anywhere who could find room for these CDs. I've seen stuff on ftp-type sites in the past but I don't know if this is a possibility.

I could stick a couple of CDs in the post this week and all this information from 1939 and 1952-and there's lots and lots of it-could be available to everyone within a couple of weeks. This lot would keep you reading for many a long night.

Please get in touch if you can help.

Cheers, Bruce

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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:40:08 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Singer background-Now National Origin

Mark Poore said: Now if Mr.. Singer learned his trade in France or Mr. Confente picked his skills up in the U.S. maybe we could classify their works as being French and American. I guess the question would be if Richie picked up and moved to England would his bikes at that point be considered English and more importantly would the builder even like to have their work classified by nation.

If we couldn't classify them by nation, then what good would it be to have a French - British site!!?? And, how else would we end up with wonderful things like English, Italian and French threading to add to our woes. To me, where the builder operated his shop should dictate how we view the origin--therefore, to stir things up, I believe a Confente or American made Masi is an American frame. So, all those people saying we spend too much time discussing Italian frames will have to change their complaint. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:42:37 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Alex Singer.

Dave Martinez said I have referenced information from Gabe Konrads much missed publication, "On the Wheel". In issue no.7 p.10-13, is the informative story, A FRENCH CYCLETOURING LEGEND, By Raymond Henry. I think the same article is availible in CYCLE HISTORY #9, Van der Plas Publications. It is state that Alex Singer was born in Budapest, Hungary in 1905 and emigrated to France in 1923.

This corresponds with my information and probably from the same source. Also that his parents owned a hotel. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

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Message: 4 Reply-To: <JDeneski@mcmrdd.org> From: "Jeremiah Deneski" <JDeneski@mcmrdd.org> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:25:52 -0400 Organization: Montgomery County Board MRDD Subject: [CR]RE: slime ball kovacs in australia
>>I bought a frame from him with the
>>worst paint job I have ever seen in my life and he swears >>it's a professional
>>quality restoration. Then gets insulting.
>>Stevan Thomas

Forget the complaint. Hire a toecutter. Jeremiah "I've seen too many Australian Prison Movies" Deneski Dayton, Oh

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Message: 5 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:34:28 -0400 From: Mario Girasa <oldbike8538@juno.com> Subject: [CR]FS: early 1960s Jack Taylor tandem 55/50 $600

This Taylor Tandem is a bit dusty. There are lots of nicks and scratches to the finish, but no dents or dings. The scratches go to primer, not to tube. I think the finish on this is fine as-is, but if you want to spiff it up, then have it professionally "touched-up", because the patina on the decals is much too nice. The bike appears to be from the early 1960s ! Serial number 4595 ! It is made of special Reynolds 531 tubing, and the craftsmanship is exquisite. There are 2 tubing decals, one says "Sports Model 531 butted tubing" and the other in the rear says "Ladies Model 531 butted tubing. I have another Jack Taylor tandem from the early 1980s, and the craftsmanship on my 1980s one is nowhere near as clean as the 1960s one ! The color is plum, with white box striping. The decals are classic Taylor. There are lots of braze-ons. The rear is mixte or step-thru style. I weighed the frame and fork ( by getting on a scale with and without bike), and the approximate weight is 13 pounds !!! I think that's light.

I have 17 jpgs, so make sure your email service won't blow up when I send them. The photos show it completely torn apart, so it's difficult to appreciate what it will look like when fully built up. However, the details speak for themselves. Sizing is difficult to get precisely because of the way this tandem is built, especially with the mixte rear. However, I measured from the center of the BB to the TOP of the seattube (the captains seattube extends a good inch beyond the toptube), and I've got 55/50cm ! A PHIL WOOD 27" wheelset is included. The wheels are 48/48. The Phil hubs are the older 3-piece variety, with steel center. There is some rust on the steel center, but the hubs spin smoothly as you would expect ! Only the frame/fork/headset and wheels are included for $600 plus shipping. First firm commit gets the bike. Thanks again. Mario Girasa, Cambridge, MA

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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:28:35 +0100 From: Helen Macvean <helenmac7@netscapeonline.co.uk> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]PARTS FOR SALE

Hello All

I have a few bits and peices which some of you maybe interested in All + shipping

1/ NOS Simplex JUY 51 complete with lever and cable $160 2/ Huret luxe wingnut set NOS slight rust on front washers $45 3/ Pair of rear GB wingnuts NOS $30 4/ GB Coureur 66 brakeset. No brakeshoes, GB red inserts intact. Late type levers with silly plastic bit broken of as usual. With carefull clean would come up fine $65 5/ Cyclo Benelux Mk 8 rear mech NOS 4speed with lever $ 70 6/ Used Titan stem 110mm chrome 7/10 $30 7 Pivo alloy stem 100mm , good condition $25 8/ Stronglight 49d 170mm crankset , threads and tapers fine comes with adaptor ring good useable condition $100 9/ GB hiduminium brakeset with early type superhood levers. needs clean and polish $140 10/ Balilla centerpulls bit untidy, need a good clean $20 11/ Cyclo sprint carriers $20 12/ Cycle racing by K Bowden 1958 150pages with some nice pics $ 35

If you need any more info please contact me off list

Regards Pete Paine Watford

ps going away to France later and will be back on Monday

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Message: 7 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:33:54 -0400 From: <wspokes@penn.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Reply-To: wspokes@penn.com Subject: [CR]Need Ohio listmember's help

I need some Ohio area help, anyone living near Kent, Ohio, please email me offlist. Thanks in advance.

Walter Skrzypek Falls Creek, Pa

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Message: 8 From: PaulieFlt@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:41:46 EDT To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB: English BB & Headset

... for my *new* Raleigh International! (Thanks, Larry!!!) User condition is just fine; doesn't have to be perfect.

Please contact off-list.

Paulie Davis Los Angeles

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Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Alex Singer give-away!!!!

Ahh, you have to love net advertising and the misuse of subject lines. Now that I have your attention: Many years ago Bridgestone had a contest in which they gave away a bike that was hand built using old-stock, stamped lugs and fittings and was set up with NOS, Pre CPSC Campy parts, red label rims, silks, etc. They ran some sort of ad in Bicycle Guide, as I recall, asking readers to submit their best arguments as to why they should be the owner of the bike. This happened quite some time ago, perhaps is early as 1987 or as late as 1990, and I don’t remember what came of it. Does anyone remember this? Does anyone know who ended up with the bike, and why? The ad copy indicated that the bike would be built by a retired mystery builder who used old-world ways, including whole-frame heat treatment in an open hearth. Or maybe I hallucinated that last part. I get the impression that it may have been one of the old French masters like Singer or Herse, but I don’t know which guys were still with us at that time. Any ideas. Can anyone contact Grant? He MUST know.

Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA

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Message: 10 From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:52:26 -0400 Subject: [CR]ITALIAN parts I need

I know this is a longshot, but I need the following items:

1 pair of pre-"Extra" Universal brake levers, preferably steel, no = adjusting barrel on top, slot-and-hole cable opening on top. Email for = reference picture.

1 set of Bianchi-badged Magistroni 3-bolt cottered cranks, with or = without chainring.=20

1 Bianchi "B" chainring, chromed steel, anything from 44 to 47 teeth, to = fit above crankset. Email for reference picture.

1 pair of 1940s-1950s Bianchi racing pedals, "B" design forming part of = the cage. Email for reference picture.

Thanks for any and all help.

Aldo Ross Monroe, Ohio "today was Monday in Italy in 1949"

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Message: 11 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:52:42 -0700 From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com> Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Le Cirque: the continuing saga

For the benifit of those who weren't there:

Wow, talk about getting sidetracked. I really meant to continue this report much sooner but my life is one non-stop pile of things to do. The freekin' phone won't stop which only makes matters worse. Since my computer doesn't ring nor demand to be fed like my dog; it is easy to ignore when real busy.

When I left off I was about to relate my impressions of Richard Sachs' presentiation entitled "My life as a Framebuilder". Richard prefaced his delivery with a statement to the effect that the was not accustomed to public speaking. But Richard has this "natural comic" ability that is the cornerstone of his delightful personality. Deadpan delivery of sharp witted comments and comebacks are often so subtle that one must pay close attention or miss a lot of what Richard is all about. An audio/visual problem forced Richard to dive in without his planned introduction in the form of some TV news clips about his work, but he took it in stride and told us how it all began.

I don't know how Richards story effected others in the audience; but for me I heard a story very similar in some ways to how my life began as a framebuilder. I was completely facinated by the details of his time in England and how Witcomb USA came to be. Richard stressed that he is a bike racer who happens to build frames. His dedication to that principal is reflected in his work. More interesting to me than some of the details of Richards life was the way he spoke and delivered the material. Revealed by his speech was a man that clearly has a practical and focused purpose in his life who truely enjoys what he does. I can't say it's uncommon to find such a humble and respectful person with such huge talent amongst framebuilders. Anyone who has ever met Peter Weigle, Richard Moon, Doug Fattic, Chris Kvale, Tom Kellogg, Bill Holland, Bruce Gordon(??!!) or any one of dozens more talented framebuilders knows many are charming, whitty, and humble. Richard is a prince among them.

By the time Richie was finished I knew more about Richard and his early years than I had ever known before. Perhaps Chris felt this, but I can't imagine many others feeling such a connection to him. We're also about one month apart in age. I was stunned in a way how many things we have in common and yet how completely different and individual each one of us is. Having Chris there amplified my sensitivity to what I feel is a "special sameness" we all seem to have as constructors. A sense of humor in common perhaps.

Moving right along. Ray Etherton stepped right in where Richie left off. His entrance was right out of the " Brian Baylis Book of Comic Openers" as he appeared wearing a Scottich hat/red wig. With the accent I at first thought it was Fat Bastard from Austin Powers making an appearance; but then I realized he wasn't fat. Turns out it was Ray under there after all! Wife Linda worked the slide machine as Ray treated us to "Unorthodox British Frame Designs". Examples from catalogues and photos supported his dialog as pretty much every possible " what the hell is that" concept was presented for our viewing pleasure. Those silly Brits! Aren't they ALSO the ones who ride trikes?? As a framebuilder I sometimes cringe at some of the designs; but as a collector I have a certain taste for the bizzarre and unusual from time to time. Thanks Ray for bringing to light some of the lesser known frame designs and also for putting out those tasty lugsets for us to see. We're now looking forward to your presence at the West Coast Velo Rendezvous comming up in Oct.

Dale Brown batted clean-up with a history of framebuilder Mclean Fionville (hope that's right) who was local to the area and who Dale knew for a long time. He passed away at an early age so needless to say no more are being made. Again, another facinating framebuilder story/personality that I knew very little about. Silk Hope frames are known for the simple clean design and work. Slides were shown that gave a good picture of what kind of person Mclean was and the simple environment in which he worked. From the photos he reminds me of Mike Nesbitt(?) from the Monkees.

We broke down and everyone made the preparations to reassemble at the appointed resturant. As usual, there were many creative routes taken to get from the hotel to the eatery. Roommate Steve Kinne had the luxury of a car but even when following someone who "knows how to get there" we did not take a direct and uneventful route. These rides are often part of the best fun of being out of town with a bunch of other people who are also lost. I never claim to have a good sense of direction because I don't; but someone always does and that's usually where things start to go south, or was that East?

Once the group made it to the resturant we took over an entire section and then some. I wish there was a place where the whole group could sit at one giant round table so that we could all interact together; but it will never happen. Actually I'm quite comfortable with the way it always ends up, multiple splinter groups each time composed of new members. Karen Rawles and Lou Deeter saved me a spot which was started from last year so we could finish a previous conversation. Also nearby was Dan Artley and Tom (I think) and we had an enjoyable meal. The resturant staff was caught off guard with the size of our group and the service suffered a little bit. But the company and conversation was first class and I must thank Karen and/or Lou for dinner and the brew.

We finished up dinner and headed back to the hotel. Apparently the hotel had been dug up and moved while we were dining because it wasn't where it was supposed to be. You'd think these bastards would have something better to do than move the hotel around town just to mess with the out of town guests. Put the damn thing in one place and leave it there! Finally we stumbled onto a place that looked like our hotel (the one with the two lions(?) on the roof barking at the moom; what's up with that). Another thing that happens at these gatherings is that after dinner the "harcore group" heads out for coffee and/or dessert. We ended up at the Outback Steakhouse near the hotel. There were quite a few in attendance and I probably won't remember everyone but near me were Larry Osborne and Karen Schukman. Ironically we carried on our own subconversation about deep philosophical concepts was we looked thru Mike Kones' copy of the Rene Herse book. This gathering allowed me to become aquainted with two persons whom I had known little of before. Larry has a very interesting wit and is a great conversationalist. I found Karen to be most engaging and seems enthusiastic to learn more of what makes us vintage types tick. Karen bacame a central figure with the hardcore group and offered to host an intimate coffee group the following evening at her home where we wouldn't have to compete with the volume of the rest of the resturant. I thouroughly enjoyed the roundtable coffee meeting but was more than ready to turn in by the time we closed down the place.

I'm sure Steve, Chuck, and I talked for a while in the room before I was finally able to sleep. I'll try to finish this off soon. Just so many things to attend to every single day. My purpose for writing these accounts is to encourage those who have not joined us on either coast to jump in and show up next time. These gatherings are historic within our small little world of vintage lightweights. The fun, the contacts, the friends one makes at these meetings are far more valuable than the time and money it takes to attend. Make plans to be at the next one. After all, you'll never get a better chance to meet an old troll-like framebuilder with two heads and three arms in person. How many times have you been on a ride and were able to still shake hands with a guy who has two hands on the bars? Probably never. Next chance is October in So. Pasadena.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Need your extra sleeves from long sleeve jerseys that are worn out. Having a hell of a time finding jerseys with an extra arm comming out of the back. Luckily both heads fit in a standard opening; there are benifits to being a pencilneck at times!

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Message: 12 From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:59:55 -0400 Subject: [CR]I need Bianchi decals

I need red with gold downtube decals for a recently restored 1949 = Bianchi. I already have the headtube and seattube crests. Anyone have = a source for these?

Lloyds used to list them... can someone help me contact them - I have = friends in England who can help.

If unsure of what these decals look like, please Email for a reference = picture.

Thanks again for any help.

Aldo Ross Monroe, Ohio

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Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:22:00 -0400 From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Alex Singer give-away!!!!

As I recall it, the advertisement was in VeloNews and it advertised for a bike to be built by a mystery builder who didn't use jig--I remember thinking that it has to be Francesco Cuevas because I had one at the time. It also was published with the first issue in April and as that publication did frequently, totally sucked the readers in with their annual April Fool's joke. I don't think there was a give-away in other words. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

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Message: 14 From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Alex Singer give-away!!!! Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:42:19 -0700

Lou Deeter wrote:
>
> As I recall it, the advertisement was in VeloNews [...]
> published with the first issue in April and as that
> publication did frequently, totally sucked the readers in
> with their annual April Fool's joke.

The "give away" to me that it was a joke was where they said that to bit fitted properly, you had to send pictures of yourself naked!

Mark Bulgier Seattle, Wa USA

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Message: 15 To: LouDeeter@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:42:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [CR]Alex Singer give-away!!!! From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>

i have the ad 'in stock'. want a xerox copy ?????????????

contact me off-list if you are interesting. {interested} e-RICHIE chester, ct

On Thu, 23 May 2002 12:22:00 -0400 LouDeeter@aol.com writes:
> As I recall it, the advertisement was in VeloNews and it advertised
> for a bike to be built by a mystery builder who didn't use jig--I
> remember thinking that it has to be Francesco Cuevas because I had
> one at the time. It also was published with the first issue in
> April and as that publication did frequently, totally sucked the
> readers in with their annual April Fool's joke. I don't think there
> was a give-away in other words. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 16 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:56:12 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Alex Singer give-away!!!!

Mark Bulgier wrote:
>
> Lou Deeter wrote:
> >
> > As I recall it, the advertisement was in VeloNews [...]
> > published with the first issue in April and as that
> > publication did frequently, totally sucked the readers in
> > with their annual April Fool's joke.
>
> The "give away" to me that it was a joke was where they said that to bit
> fitted properly, you had to send pictures of yourself naked!
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, Wa
> USA

That was a joke? Boy, is my face red! (now how do I get my pictures back?)

Chuck "once again" Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

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Message: 17 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:10:06 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Alex Singer.

LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
>
> Dave Martinez said I have referenced information from Gabe Konrads much missed publication, "On the Wheel". In issue no.7 p.10-13, is the informative story, A FRENCH CYCLETOURING LEGEND, By Raymond Henry. I think the same article is availible in CYCLE HISTORY #9, Van der Plas Publications. It is state that Alex Singer was born in Budapest, Hungary in 1905 and emigrated to France in 1923.
>
> This corresponds with my information and probably from the same source. Also that his parents owned a hotel. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

I'm in the middle of reprinting a compilation of all the issues of Gabe Konrad's Aeoleus Butterfly and On The Wheel with Gabe's blessings. For those of you who missed them, Gabe printed a 'zine with a real ecliptic mix of stories and articles on vintage bikes. The first, Aeoleus Butterfly, was a xeroxed newsletter ('zine) and the second, On The Wheel, was a professional looking magazine that was even available at some book stores across the nation.

Sorely missed, but at least those of you who would like to "catch up" can do so. I let the list know when the compilation is available.

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Message: 18 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:17:42 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Alex Singer.

Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
> LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Dave Martinez said I have referenced information from Gabe Konrads much missed publication, "On the Wheel". In issue no.7 p.10-13, is the informative story, A FRENCH CYCLETOURING LEGEND, By Raymond Henry. I think the same article is availible in CYCLE HISTORY #9, Van der Plas Publications. It is state that Alex Singer was born in Budapest, Hungary in 1905 and emigrated to France in 1923.
> >
> > This corresponds with my information and probably from the same source. Also that his parents owned a hotel. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
> I'm in the middle of reprinting a compilation of all the issues of Gabe
> Konrad's Aeoleus Butterfly and On The Wheel with Gabe's blessings. For
> those of you who missed them, Gabe printed a 'zine with a real ecliptic
> mix of stories and articles on vintage bikes. The first, Aeoleus
> Butterfly, was a xeroxed newsletter ('zine) and the second, On The
> Wheel, was a professional looking magazine that was even available at
> some book stores across the nation.
>
> Sorely missed, but at least those of you who would like to "catch up"
> can do so. I let the list know when the compilation is available.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California

DOH! That was supposed to be "eclectic". Spellcheck came up with "ecliptic" which I have no idea the meaning of.

Chuck

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Message: 19 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:28:31 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: National Origin

Lou Deeter wrote:
>
> M(cutTo me, where the builder operated his shop should dictate how we view the origin--therefore, to stir things up, I believe a Confente or American made Masi is an American frame. So, all those people saying we spend too much time discussing Italian frames will have to change their complaint.

Mario Confente once told me that he felt he could build a better bike in America than he could in Italy because of the better materials available to him in the U.S. He mentioned flux and brazing rod as an example.

Yes, I would agree Lou, Confentes are US bikes. Actually SoCal bikes!

Chuck "hey, Lou brought up the "C" and "M" words, not me" Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

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Message: 20 From: "Andrew Gorski" <afgorski@msn.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:55:18 -0700 Subject: [CR]Seeking '72 Zefal Competition Frame Pump red/silver/blue

Moving along with the restoration of my '72 Gitane Tour de France, I am trying to locate a replacement for my bike's original frame pump - a Zefal Competition. The pump was very 70's with a blue metallic handle, silvery pump body, and red plastic hand grip at the pump-head end. The original was swiped from the bike when I was touring in Ireland in '73. Anyone know where I can find one in working order and good shape?

Andy Gorski in Seattle afgorski@msn.com

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Message: 21 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:34:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [CR]Singer background From: Steven M Johnson <grisha2@juno.com>

On Wed, 22 May 2002 21:03:44 -0600 Michael Kone <bikevint@tiac.net> writes:
> Bianco would build bikes in the
> winter and then pro team riders would visit Bianco, pick out a
> frame, have
> it painted in their team colors, and off they would go. Bianco
> didn't even have decals or a hand painted graphics scheme!

Somewhere, I got in my head, that back in the days when bike racing was a seasonal activity and bike frames were less disposable, that team bikes were painted every winter. This was the reason that so many French and Italian bikes up to the 70s had such poor paint jobs. It was only expected to last one summer. Next season would bring on a new color scheme, and maybe a new badge.

Of course as buyers became more affluent (bike boom), and less handy with a can of enamel, they expected the paint to last a bit longer. Improvements in painting technology, also made paint more durable?

Who made Eddy M's hour record bike, and who's name was on it? Hard to hide the story on that one, but how many other times has it happened and been forgotten?

Don't have specifics, but a couple of Coppi's bikes have been mentioned in the past as not being what they were badged.

Back in the 80s I knew a guy from Michigan that had a Mercier or Mercian, that every winter he would take apart, remove all the paint and repaint it pink. He was a member of a cycling team in high school (Wolverines?). Where he picked this habit up, I don't know. When local people found out I raced bikes, they would say to me, "Hey, you ever seent that guy with the big muscles that rides a pink bike?" He was also an ex body builder, and hell of a sprinter.

When Chuck says that he has some classic bikes that don't look that great, but are original, what goes through my mind is a bike with a finish that probably was never intended to last as long as it has.

Steven Johnson, Chesapeake, VA

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