Re: Debunking time again (Re: [CR]1962 Raleigh Gran Sport)

Example: Racing:Roger de Vlaeminck
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:44:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Debunking time again (Re: [CR]1962 Raleigh Gran Sport)

In a message dated 5/31/02 7:31:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

<< So far by reading the posts most of the people that actually build and work on bikes for a living seem to side with me to one degree or another. This bicycle is full of variables to a good ride and to single one out as the key to a good ride is falling for the hype of quality. I said it before I'll say it again, "The fenders on the bike will affect ride more than if this bike was built from 531." >>

I don't think there's a single hand builder out there who would choose HiTen over any grade of better tubing. I personally would choose to not build a frame if all I had available was HiTen. Materials matter, design matters, joinery matters. About the only thing that doesn't matter is cosmetics (re ride quality). I agree with your exception to the word "never". The fenders? They'll add air resistance but ride quality? Given a choice, I'd take a 531 bike with fenders over a HiTen bike with fenders any day. The really big question here is what constitutes acceptable ride quality? Some riders are more discerning/demanding about what they want. Stronger/taller/heavier riders generally need better/stonger frames.
Stevan Thomas
Alameda, CA