[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1994

(Example: Framebuilding:Tubing)

From: "Brandon Davis" <brdavis@adppa.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CATFOODGV4mowsiRWIh00002226@catfood.nt.phred.org>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:05:50 -0800
cc: NortonMarg@aol.com
cc: OROBOYZ@aol.com
cc: NortonMarg@aol.com
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1994

http://ebay.com/<blah
>

I'd like to add a recent experience that I had with this same seller, of the same negative heads up Caveat Emptor variety.

I placed a small bid to watch an item (it was a set of NR brakes; for my recently acquired finally On Topic 1979 Mercian). My bid was cancelled.

The seller noted that I had withdrawn bids recently (and I had, and I do btw: I may cancel a bid when a seller significantly changes a description, often enough a seller will say it's okay, even ...and this seems an entirely reasonable practice to me). His note wasn't exactly as polite as my mention of the cancellation ...actually, it was bloody rude.

So I posted the seller, asking (in a reasonable manner), what did he mean by that, exactly? (I really thought it was a simple mistake, or misunderstanding that could be easily cleared up.) The largely illiterate response I received was [also] rude & offensive & threatening.

And illogical, and as such, vastly amusing.

He claimed at one point in his first post (yes, I suffered through a couple) that he'd detected a "pattern" in my bidding ...this from my single negative feedback, some four years and over 700 positive feedbacks ago. That includes over 160 positives in the last six months. All my feedback is as a buyer (heck, I've probably purchased stuff from half the active sellers in the CR list as far as that goes). Just to put things in perspective ....

He was also going to warn other sellers about me, and see if he couldn't get eBay to close my account. Said I was a very bad risk, and that people like me yada-yada-yada ....

700 positives. One negative. 4 years.

Sheesh.

I would recommend that you be very hesitant in dealing with the seller, regardless of the deal ...too volatile ...not very, shall we say "astute"?

I really should have read his ad copy more closely, as it was plain that he was a potential problem.

NOT RECOMMENDED!

My two bits ...

--- brandon davis ---
-- sacramento, ca --


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> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:35:16 -0800 (PST)

> From: Russell roth <fuzzybunnies@pot.com>

> Subject: [CR]is this a derosa tt bike

> Message: 9

>

> there's an ebay auction for a derosa timetrial bike

>
http://ebay.com/<blah>

> and I was wondering if anyone has seen a de rosa frame like this before or
know if they made one in this style. There is no decals on the frame and
just a couple on the fork though they don't say derosa either. I've emailed
the seller but haven't recieved a response yet. Course if it isn't this is a
good outing for a super record group if anyone's looking. Russ Roth, Albany,
NY

>

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> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:13:42 EST

> From: NortonMarg@aol.com

> Subject: Re: [CR]is this a derosa tt bike/evil seller

> Message: 12

>

>
http://ebay.com/<blah>

>>

>

> I bid on an item these guys were selling, and they canceled my bid to
"sell

> it now" to someone else. When I emailed them to complain about that (it's

> legal, by the rules but not ethical in MY book) the vitriolic BS I got as
a

> reply means I will never ever bid on anything they sell. Read their

> "description" about how they might cancel your bid if they "don't like the

> color of your tie". World class hemorrhoids is the politest thing I can
say

> about them. That and "too much caffeine, dude!"

> Stevan Thomas

> Alameda, CA

>

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> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:20:35 EST

> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com

> Subject: Re: [CR]is this a derosa tt bike

> Message: 14

>

> In a message dated 1/2/2003 9:36:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> fuzzybunnies@pot.com writes:

>

> << there's an ebay auction for a derosa timetrial bike

>
http://ebay.com/<blah>

> and I was wondering if anyone has seen a de rosa frame like this before
or

> know if they made one in this style. There is no decals on the frame and
just

>

> Caveat Emptor...

> The only Super Record I see on that bike are the front and rear

> derailleurs...

> I certainly never saw a DeRosa with that quality dropout joinery (not so

> good) much less that chain stay or fork blade brazed in the front triangle

> like that!

> Then there are the stamped lugs... yes, older DeRosas had them but this

> should be an early 1980s era bike so cast were in use by them by then...

> The identity of the bike should be readily apparent (especially if it is a

> DeRosa) from the seat stay top eye engraving or the fork crown but they
are

> conveniently not focussed on.

>

> Dale Brown

> Greensboro, North Carolina

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