Re: [CR]Was mildly odd Campagnolo brake calipers, Now BrakesetAuthenticity

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From: "Raoul Delmare" <R.Delmare@Charter.net>
To: <Bikerdaver@aol.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Was mildly odd Campagnolo brake calipers, Now BrakesetAuthenticity
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:57:13 -0600


Yes indeedy ,

This was always commonly acknowledged in every group of cyclists I met , way back then , in the Campagnolo Nuovo Record 1970's ( nobody really had enough money for Super Record , but a few had seen Super Record ) .

It was spoken as all-one-word , because we all knew exactly what it meant .

"All-Campy-Except-The-Brakes"

I posted something , not too long back , about retail prices on Schwinn Paramounts .

This is a BIG lesson on two ( 2 ) things at once ; First , the outrageous price of Campagnolo brakes , way back then ; Second , the outrageously ugly monetary inflation of the 1970's .

And I quote :

1972 - Model P13-9 - $ 350.00

optional custom "made to measure" frame - $ 40.00

optional "Clementi Campionato del Mondo sew-up tires . . . on Weinmann aluminum alloy wood-filled rims" - $12.95 per pair

optional Campagnolo brakes - $ 50.00

Yes! That's the way it was! You could buy the entire 1972 bicycle ( with very good brakes ) for $ 350 . But , if you wanted to upgrade to the optional Campagnolo brakes , it would have cost you an extra $ 50 !! That was more than 14 % additional , AND they still got to keep the standard ( very good ) brakes !!

1973 - Model P13-9 - Jan. price $ 350.00 , Feb. price $ 425.00 , April price $ 450.00

1974 - Model P13-9 - $ 495.00

Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas


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Subject: [CR]Was mildly odd Campagnolo brake calipers, Now


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> Hello-
> All this talk of the non-super record "super record" brakes brings up a
> brakeset authenticity issue that I have not seen discussed on CR list before.
> What I am referring to is the rather common, yet hardly ever acknowledged
> custom of (mostly) Italian manufacturers equipping a bike with full Campy NR
> or SR OEM grouppo save the brakeset.
> Here are some examples that come to mind:
> 1969, 70, 71, 72(maybe) Cinelli SC complete NR except Universal Super 68s.
> 1973, 74(maybe) Mondia complete NR except for Dura Ace brakeset.
> 1971, 72, 73, 74(maybe) Schwinn Paramount, NR except Weinmann C-pulls.
> 1977 (maybe others) Colnago Supers w/SR except Modolo Master Pro brakes
> 1981, 82 (maybe) Rossin w/SR except for Galli Criterium brakeset.
> 1980ish Ciocc Compezzione(sp?) w/SR except Modolo Kronos brakeset.
> Please pardon me if I my vintages are off by a year or two. Any way you
> get the point. I don't know how many early 1970 Cinelli and Mondia I have
> seen that have had their brakeset switched out to Campy. There's a good
> chance that several people on this list even have this switch-out on their
> bikes.
> I whole-heartedly agree with our group's ethos of originality and
> authenticity. This brakeset issue seems to have dropped below our radar. Why
> is it even important? Authenticity of a bike is its Spirit, its mojo, its
> "sexiness", its bloodline.
> I believe the folks at Cinelli and Colnago spec'd out their bikes with
> non-campy brakes for conscious and well though out reasons. Whether it was
> economic or based on astrology or whatever; its the bike's Authenticity.
> Obviously, companies like Colnago and Rossin could have easily spec'd
> Campy SR brakes,,,,,,,but they didn't. To be honest, I don't believe their
> reasons for doing this matters a whole lot. I mean who am I, let alone who
> are we, to tell Ernie C. which way he should have dressed out his bikes in
> the late 70s?
> Long live authentic uniqueness. Long live not blindly going along with
> the pack. Long live non-campy OEM brakesets and their mojo! OK, thats my rant
> for the month. Cheers,
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT