They may have slipped in a few before the '83 (now '84?) cut off date, but many of us, if not most, ride with them and they are the source of considerable problems for many of us. I hear all the time of list members going from Look to Frog and others going from Frog to Look...the common denominator being it is very difficult to find just what we need. In my case I search for something that feels better when riding than the SPD types, but demand that I can walk about in them and be accepted in restaurants, coffee shops and stores when out on my bike. In my humble opinion they would be a fertile and profitable area of discussion, seeing as so many of use them and are less than happy about them. Surely the God Of Lists in His infinite mercy would not smite us!