[CR]Can someone please explain to me why the current production of Bates are Repros?

(Example: Racing:Jacques Boyer)

From: <REClassicBikes@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 04:33:57 EST
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Can someone please explain to me why the current production of Bates are Repros?

Hi Guys

well, the issue has been bouncing around for a the last few editions, sparked off by Mark getting out of the Hetchins game.

During the conversations that ensue several list members seem quite happy to term the Bates frames that are supplied by me as being either (at best) "new" (meaning different from original?) or Repro, meaning a copy of an older item.

This is an old chestnut with me and I have defended the frames on the list before. This time I would be grateful if those who like to describe the frames in this manner can explain to me and the list why the see the frames in this way?

Before the start can I make a few points clear.

Bates are a frame and cycle building company, not an individual.

Bates frames have been built continuously since the company first started making frames.

Although many fine frame builders have built Bates frames, we have never used named builders, the frames are always sold as Bates.

The location of the workshop has moved several times, firstly in 1952.

The Bates family are still involved with the company.

We build and supply stock and custom built frames as we always have. The styles have not changed much, but that does not mean we are doing repros, it just means that we never changed much. If you would like us to build you a more modern looking frame we can. My current flat track racing frame has a threadless steerer, you can have one too.

There was a time in the late 80s when production had dwindled very low indeed. At this time ray etherton became involved with the production ( and more importantly sales) and production increased to its current dizzy heights.

Please, if you wish to call us "new" or "repro", then at least explain why.

Martin Coopland