As I said earler re the new Cinelli SC I just bought apparently being in a
'time warp', the observation just made that Chuck passed on an SC in 191
because it was too expensive at $795 proves my orignal point quite well -- I
just paid $795 for the new version of the SC!!!! Dave Novoselsky ,
Chicago, Illinois
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> 1. Re: was? JAPENESE (sic) COLLECTORS off topic a bit
> 2. Re: Re: JAPANESE (sc=spelling corrected) COLLECTOR
> (paul patzkowsky)
> 3. Murhpys' Law in Action - The Beach Boys (Raoul Delmare)
> 4. info wanted on "Recherche" (Rod Kronenberg)
> 5. Re: Private Collectors -[CR]Re: JAPANESE COLLECTOR-long
> 6. Re: Step through frame Schwinn Traveler question
> 7. Re: Derogatory comments
> 8. Re: Re: Step through frame Schwinn Traveler question
> (Raoul Delmare)
> 9. RE: info wanted on "Recherche" (Jim Cunningham)
> 10. Re: Murhpys' Law in Action - The Beach Boys (Brian Baylis)
> 11. Re: info wanted on "Recherche" (Brian Baylis)
> 12. Re: Re: Masi Question... (Brian Baylis)
> 13. New hype for Brooks saddles (Tom Sanders)
> 14. interesting pictures of some derailleurs found (Martin Appel)
> 15. warning - off topic and long (swampmtn)
> 16. Part listed (matteo brandi)
> 17. How do you give an OLD framebuilder a Woody?? (Brian Baylis)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:02:24 EST
> From: DTSHIFTER@aol.com
> To: recycle@wmni.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]was? JAPENESE (sic) COLLECTORS off topic a bit
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> In a message dated 2/23/03 1:15:24 PM, recycle@wmni.net writes:
>
> << We should be applauding the high roller as the tide raises all boats,
>
> unless your in cement shoes.
>
> Where would our hobby be if you could go down to the bike shop and get
>
> new Swift saddle's for $28 ? How about new Raleigh Pro's for $175?
>
> Didn't these prices seem high back then, does anyone remember the bike
>
> that was just out of reach? @ $1.25 / hr. it took a huge comitment
>
> then. Why should it be different now? >>
>
> David,
>
> I think I've heard it said that "a rising tide lifts all yachts!!"
>
> To wonder where our hobby would be if prices were low and items were
easily
> found; I suppose many of us would have different hobbies, but this is just
> speculation as it depends on why we have a certain hobby in the first
place?
>
> I do remember wanting a Raleigh Pro or a Cinelli in 1971. I had to settle
> for a PX-10 which was $200.00 while the Pro was $525.00 and, heaven
forbid,
> the Cinelli was $795.00!!! These were princely sums in those days, and
for
> comparison, I was driving a three year old Saab 96 which cost me $900 (and
it
> was in pretty nice shape)!
>
> So the Raleigh and the Cinelli were more than just "out of reach" but it
> didn't change my desire any!!! I still don't have a Cinelli, and I sold
the
> Pro to Larry Osborn last year. Sadder still, I rode so much more back in
> those days :-(
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Brooks
> Malta, NY
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:05:44 -0700
> From: paul patzkowsky <atrikerider@juno.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: JAPANESE (sc=spelling corrected) COLLECTOR
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> Ah, yes, there are other Pauls---thank God. Please excuse my
> self-centered assumption that I was involved.
>
> Paul Patzkowsky Longmont, Colorado
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:12:18 -0600
> From: "Raoul Delmare" <R.Delmare@Charter.net>
> To: <rocklube@adnc.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Murhpys' Law in Action - The Beach Boys
> Message-ID: <00fa01c2db7c$a3554fa0$7b257044@nebi.com>
> References:
>
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> As The Beach Boys said , in that famous song ,
>
> "
> Suck a wheel ,
> Suck a wheel ,
> And you're sittin' on top a the world . . .
> "
>
> : ^ )
>
>
> Raoul Delmare
> Marysville Kansas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Baylis" <rocklube@adnc.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:33 AM
> Subject: [CR]Murhpys' Law in Action/ Track cogs
>
>
> > Gang,
> >
> > Thanks to all who responded regarding track cogs. Many suggested the
> > Euro-Asia Imports cogs. I got one of each 17T and 18T and they are
> > indeed excellent.
> >
> > As Murphys' Law dictates; as soon as the new cogs arrived, one day later
> > the missing cogs surface at the bottom of a box that was "nested" with
> > two other boxes on top of it. A box of telephone cords and junk turns
> > out to also contain 25(!!) assorted Campagnolo and SunTour track cogs. I
> > feel RICH! I might as well have found a box of diamonds. Also a
> > selection of single speed freewheels from 15 to 20 teeth! WOW! I can
> > sleep now.
> >
> > I am now prepared to attend Le Cirque with a properly outfitted fixed
> > gear road bike. Nothing quite like the pure simplicity of a fixie on the
> > road, with brakes naturally. I hope the weather co-operates; I'm really
> > looking forward to riding out there.
> >
> > Brian Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> > Going on the "JB" ride in the morning. Taking my 650c wheel road bike
> > built from Columbus KL tubing out this time. It is very easy for me to
> > "hide" from people while on their wheel on this bike because it is so
> > small and low. It has earned me two fond nicknames amongst my friends;
> > some call me "the gnat" and others refer to me as "the invisable man".
> > Personally, I don't see what's wrong with "wheelsucker"!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:02:12 -0700
> From: "Rod Kronenberg" <rodk3d@attbi.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]info wanted on "Recherche"
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>
> Hi list,
> Anybody heard of this brand or know anything about it? Possibly made by
> Dave Moulton?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rod Kronenberg
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:07:12 EST
> From: Huemax@aol.com
> To: RaleighPro531@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: Private Collectors -[CR]Re: JAPANESE COLLECTOR-long
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>
> In a message dated 2/23/03 2:44:37 PM, RaleighPro531@aol.com writes:
>
> << Ken,
> So how are these folks finding their bikes and parts?
> Secret society? Friends in the business?
> I turn up mostly junk! I must be looking in the wrong places.
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA >>
>
> Hi, Pete,
>
> This is another Ken, (Ken Toda) originally born in Japan but livig in the
USA
> on and off for almost 30 years, here North carolina is my home sweet home
> in past 22 years!
>
> I also, wish to extend my warm welcome "back" to Mr. Ken Denny who is one
> of America's TOP intellect/scholor of vintage light weight bike and parts!
>
> The answers to your question above; my answer is, Ebay first, and they
> have been making trips to France, Italy, our west cost California where
> you can find what they are looking for.
>
> Someone commented the market in "asia/japan", this has major problem.
> After the USA destroyed the Empire of Japan in 1945 with use of 2 Atom
> Bombs, Then, USA helped create "Japan Inc.", which became the No2 economic
> power in the free world (even exceed Russia, USSR).
>
> I mean you can NOT deal Japan is a part of Asia as living standard and
> economic
> power house even Hong Kong and Singapole comming up closer today!
>
> Their pocket is deeper than it apperas, and remeber how many billions
> they had put out for the Gulf War in 1991. Their Foreighn Aids (give away
> money/cash to oversea exceed what USA did before). Yes, their economy is
> pretty bad shape, BUT their NOT dead, their vintage bike market is bigger,
> the knowledge is deeper.
>
> So, we have to shed out a lot more money to beat their bids, if we want to
> keep museum quiality stuff in North America!
>
> Dr. Amaki, namely Kauzo, is a one of the top international collector,
eBayer,
> dealer of Yahoo-Japan, and our rival!
>
> Ken Toda, over the hill rider/collector of vintage bike in North Carolina!
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:14:33 EST
> From: Threespeedcharly@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Step through frame Schwinn Traveler question
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> Hi: Was the step-through frame Schwinn Traveler always made in the mixte
> version or was it made also made with the twin downtube construction?
Which
> versions where made of 4130? Thanks. Charlie Endelman
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:20:16 EST
> From: StuartMX4@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Derogatory comments
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> Paul,
> I haven't the faintest idea what you mean. You sent me an e-mail ( two
words
> only... Huh! and What!) and I replied to it saying that my posting to CR
> referred to a contribution by a different Paul. Why air this on the list?
> Pick on someone else yourself!
> No! On second thoughts, all this has nothing to do with bicycles. If I
have
> caused inadvertent offence to any innocent bystander, I apologise. Pick on
me
> again if it makes you feel better. We are made of stern stuff here in
Sussex.
> Stuart Tallack in Perfidious Albion
>
> Paul Patzkowsky wrote
> I have received posting from both Brandon Davis and Stuart Tallack
> today seeming to attribute comments/ actions to me that are neither true
> nor accurate. I haven't participated in this thread until now but I am
> beginning to get irritated.
> I have not made any derogatory comments about anyone in any of these
> current threads nor do I believe that I have ever done so in the past.
> Perhaps you have attributed these comments/actions to me when you had
> someone else in mind? Pick on someone else.
>
> Paul Patzkowsky Longmont, Colorado
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:24:45 -0600
> From: "Raoul Delmare" <R.Delmare@Charter.net>
> To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Step through frame Schwinn Traveler question
> Message-ID: <018b01c2db81$fd0013a0$7b257044@nebi.com>
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>
> This may not really be a C. R. List kind of question .
>
> But , let me say publicly , that if Charlie will contact me privately ,
> off-list , I will share what information I have , try to point him
towards
> other information sources , and generally try to find answers .
>
> As far as the use of 4130 alloy steel , I can say that Schwinn did
> absolutely use Chromium - Molybdenum alloy steel tubing .
>
> I can't say if it was that particular chromium molybdenum steel alloy .
>
> And most of the , straight gauge , "Chrome Molybdenum" ( as Schwinn
> called it ) was used in the Superior - Super Sport - Sports Tourer -
> Superior - Sport Limited family of bicycles .
>
> Cheers ,
> Raoul Delmare
> Marysville Kansas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Threespeedcharly@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:14 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Step through frame Schwinn Traveler question
>
>
> > Hi: Was the step-through frame Schwinn Traveler always made in the mixte
> > version or was it made also made with the twin downtube construction?
> Which
> > versions where made of 4130? Thanks. Charlie Endelman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:42:19 -0800
> From: "Jim Cunningham" <CyclArtist@cox.net>
> To: "'Rod Kronenberg'" <rodk3d@attbi.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]info wanted on "Recherche"
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> Rod,
> You are correct that this brand was made in Dave Moulton's shop. As I
> recall, this was a "house brand" created for a San Diego bicycle shop,
> but similar to his Fuso brand. I have a brochure in my files at the
> office with more info. The name is pronounced: resh-er-shay according
> to Dave. Please contact me off list at: info@cyclart.com
> Cheers!
>
> Jim Cunningham
> Vista, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Rod
> Kronenberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:02 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]info wanted on "Recherche"
>
>
> Hi list,
> Anybody heard of this brand or know anything about it? Possibly made by
> Dave Moulton?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rod Kronenberg
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:36:35 -0800
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> To: Raoul Delmare <R.Delmare@Charter.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Murhpys' Law in Action - The Beach Boys
> Message-ID: <3E593EE3.6EE1@adnc.com>
> References:
>
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>
> Raoul,
>
> I think that was actually Jan and Dean. Perhaps Wayne Bingham knows
> better.
>
> I haven't ridden my 650c road bike much lately on account of riding all
> the vintage bikes. I found that I was able to get up the hill fine on
> the bike with one lower gear to spare; even though I was short on sleep
> and not very well prepared in advance as far as eating. As usual, JB,
> riding his 1973 Colnago Super again, shot down the decents like a comet.
> I think we out paced the rest of the guys on the first drop. The runaway
> train formed up down Harbinson Canyon and we shot the whole thing at
> just about full speed as we stretched the necks of the youngsters on
> their trick bikes. Glad I had that newspaper under my jersey on the way
> down; it was chilly at the top. The hot coffee did't quite thaw me out.
>
> Again, once we hit the valley floor the group of about 8 or so never let
> up. Fast Eddie and JB were working the front again as I was happy just
> to have caught the back of the paceline after my pull to the bottom. We
> come off the hill at 45+ and then the guys behind who just sucked wheel
> on the way down take off like a gunshot. 10 miles to the finish solo if
> you don't get your ticket. Serious fun as near the end the punks get
> frisky, or Fast Eddie, and the attacks come at every slight rise in the
> road. By that time even riding over a gum wrapper in the road is too
> much work for me. I just hang on to the finish at the back so I don't
> have to ride alone.
>
> The Sunday ride is becomming religion to me, just like it is for JB.
> Something to look forward to as the one and only ride all week. MUCH
> better than not riding at all.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> Now in the process of inspecting my eyelids for holes.
>
>
> >
> > As The Beach Boys said , in that famous song ,
> >
> > "
> > Suck a wheel ,
> > Suck a wheel ,
> > And you're sittin' on top a the world . . .
> > "
> >
> > : ^ )
> >
> > Raoul Delmare
> > Marysville Kansas
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Baylis" <rocklube@adnc.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:33 AM
> > Subject: [CR]Murhpys' Law in Action/ Track cogs
> >
> > > Gang,
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who responded regarding track cogs. Many suggested the
> > > Euro-Asia Imports cogs. I got one of each 17T and 18T and they are
> > > indeed excellent.
> > >
> > > As Murphys' Law dictates; as soon as the new cogs arrived, one day
later
> > > the missing cogs surface at the bottom of a box that was "nested" with
> > > two other boxes on top of it. A box of telephone cords and junk turns
> > > out to also contain 25(!!) assorted Campagnolo and SunTour track cogs.
I
> > > feel RICH! I might as well have found a box of diamonds. Also a
> > > selection of single speed freewheels from 15 to 20 teeth! WOW! I can
> > > sleep now.
> > >
> > > I am now prepared to attend Le Cirque with a properly outfitted fixed
> > > gear road bike. Nothing quite like the pure simplicity of a fixie on
the
> > > road, with brakes naturally. I hope the weather co-operates; I'm
really
> > > looking forward to riding out there.
> > >
> > > Brian Baylis
> > > La Mesa, CA
> > > Going on the "JB" ride in the morning. Taking my 650c wheel road bike
> > > built from Columbus KL tubing out this time. It is very easy for me to
> > > "hide" from people while on their wheel on this bike because it is so
> > > small and low. It has earned me two fond nicknames amongst my friends;
> > > some call me "the gnat" and others refer to me as "the invisable man".
> > > Personally, I don't see what's wrong with "wheelsucker"!
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:44:10 -0800
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> To: Rod Kronenberg <rodk3d@attbi.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]info wanted on "Recherche"
> Message-ID: <3E5940AA.2E0@adnc.com>
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>
> Rod,
>
> The frames were in fact built by Dave Moulton by contract. The customer
> was the owner of Rancho Bernardo Schwinn. I don't know how many frames
> were built, but the number is quite small I imagine.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
>
> >
> > Hi list,
> > Anybody heard of this brand or know anything about it? Possibly made by
> > Dave Moulton?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rod Kronenberg
> > Fort Collins, CO
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:56:24 -0800
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> To: ken denny <kendenny66@yahoo.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Masi Question...
> Message-ID: <3E594388.2CFC@adnc.com>
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>
> ken,
>
> The exact date for that might be a little difficult to determine for
> sure. I wouldn't be surprised if 1968 was the year. Certainly not before
> some time in 1967 I would guess.
>
> Perhaps, since it was a patented idea, records could be dug up to
> clarify the question for all time. Asking Alberto is probably an option
> that is second best.
>
> Sorry I can't do any better than that without exceeding the bounds of my
> actual knowledge of the topic. I would like to know the answer to this
> question myself. Anyone feel like diving in?? I can't do it; my legs are
> tired!
>
> FYI to the group, the reproduction Masi Special decal sets have arrived
> and I'm finishing two frames this week that have been waiting 2 years
> for the decals. I have two more, one of which gets a new down tube and
> top tube most likely before requiring the new transfers. Now, all I need
> are the "playing card" Colnago decals and I'm set for a while. Thank GOD
> for that!
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> I still have to shift with these fingers; I had better slow down. Or, I
> suppose I could learn to type using 10 fingers instead of two.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
> >
> > Masi-philes, please.....
> > Does anyone hav a specific date as to when Masi introduced his patented
flat-oval chainstays? My '68 Masi special has them, with "Brevetatta" in
blue helvetic "press-type" style decals. My '69 GC has them with the more
familiar "Brev.Masi" block /outline letters. Just \trying to narrow
something down.....
> > Ken Denny
> > Boston
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:32:01 -0500
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@attbi.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]New hype for Brooks saddles
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>
> I stumbled across a site which tells me that Brooks saddles are now =
> available in British Racing Green and Maroon. Well knock me over with a =
> feather. The site then goes on with this regarding pre-softened =
> saddles:
> =20
> "...after saddle tops are formed, embossed, and returned to =
> ambient moisture levels, they are sent by DHL to a small monastery in =
> the hills near Calais. There, apprentice monks doing penance, treat the =
> tops with a secret sauce comprised mostly of extra-virgin oil and =
> oregano. They are then kneaded, manipulated, and buried in the garden =
> for a prescribed period. They are then unburied, cleaned, prayed over, =
> and returned by DHL to Birmingham where they are lovingly fitted onto =
> their framesets and shipped (occasionally by DHL) to us here in America, =
> to help satisfy our cravings for instant comfort, as this process can =
> greatly reduce the break-in period for a saddle. The clear winners here =
> are the monk (who doesn't have to peel onions), DHL, and we customers =
> who can "break-in" a saddle in a good weekend!"=20
>
> ...This is not quite the truth, but "Presoftened" Saddles are only =
> offered for sale in the Americas and are specially treated to hasten the =
> break-in period."
>
> I thought this might bring a smile to those faces who are weary of =
> thrashing Japanese Collectors and counterfeit Hetchins.
>
> =
> http://permaco.com/
> E+scstore
>
> Trying to get the smell of oregano off his riding shorts in =
> Lansing Mi,
>
> Tom Sanders
>
>
> =20
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:02:08 +0100
> From: Martin Appel <martin@camelot.de>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]interesting pictures of some derailleurs found
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> Hi list,
>
> i found these 3d-pictures of 5 classic derailleurs on
> http://www.fridrichdesign.com/
>
> thought you might be inrested... :-)
>
> Martin Appel
> Munich, Germany
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:11:34 -0500
> From: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]warning - off topic and long
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>
> Pale yellow sun crossing low to the south,
> Where snow-covered roads tumble over the horizon
> Frigid quicksilver too lazy to reach double digits
> An arctic chill cutting through another stillborn day
>
> Impossible and impenetrable, this weather leaves bikes idle
> Piled in a riot of colors against grey concrete walls
> Tires still gritty from autumn's last rainy rides
> Empty and silent, lifeless in the gloom
>
> And gloomy in their lifelessness
>
> Daydreams become more vivid
> Smells and sounds long absent remain
> Plans for excursions beyond the map's white paper edge
> The feel of aluminum in the hand on a warm Spring day
>
> A long day listening to turning wheels
> Birds flicker at the thin edge of vision
> Lilac and clover and new corn in unfenced fields
> Tar bubbles and dragonflies, and so much green
>
> So much green - even spilling onto the edge of the road
>
> Here's a bicycle, prepared but not yet ridden
> So much glittering promise in those old wheels
> See the spokes turning in sunlight? Hear the crisp-clean(*) chain?
> Settle into ancient drops and saddle and let the day begin
>
> So much debate about Masi and Hetchins
> Creates too much confusion on these drowsy days
> What is right? What is wrong? Who is still guessing?
> Which is worth the most to the "whom" we have created?
>
> If this bike is worth one dollar, then who much could it be worth to ride
> it? Five? Ten?
>
> How much am I willing to pay for just one day of summer?
> What value do we assign warm air on bare arms?
> Which brilliantly-lit roads this year will we follow
> Over the green horizon?
>
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
>
> * - "Crisp-clean", NOT Krispy Kreme. AR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:25:15 +0100
> From: matteo brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Part listed
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> Hi list
>
> I ve just listed some parts on ebay.here is th elink:
>
http://ebay.com/
> iorentino&completed=0&sort=3&since=-1&include=0&page=1&rows=25>
>
> Im outing and strongly promoting my items,im also strongly related to the
> hidden sid eof the seller,and last but definitely not least,im a friend of
> LOU Deeter,so buy something from me just like LOu does!
>
> Thank u all!
>
> Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy ...where the guy at the local post office
> ,openly told that he hates me.....
>
>
> ps:more items to come either tonight or tomorrow ,so make sure to check
> twice!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:40:39 -0800
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: framebuilders@phred.org
> Subject: [CR]How do you give an OLD framebuilder a Woody??
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Sorry about that title; I had my writers working overtime to come up
> with that opener. Ah, framebuilder humor; can't get enough of it. The
> answer is in fact twofold. One particular person hit the nail on the
> head on both accounts recently! The first way would be to send me a 13 T
> track cog! Turns out to be the only size cog I didn't have any of in my
> find. Doesn't get any better than that! Or DOES it?! Well, it does
> actually if one were to go to the mailbox and find enclosed in the very
> same package a brand new set of Kirk Pascenti lugs. Both a gift from
> Kirk Pacenti himself to little 'ole me. Ah, schucks. That there was an
> awfully nice gesture my good Sir! Thank you very much!
>
> So where does the woody part come in, you ask? Well it started when I
> opened the mailbox and discovered the package. But what REALLY blew my
> dress up is that I have come up with a design of my liking. Right away
> I came up with a pattern that is very classic but combines elements of
> lug curves that aren't commonly seen together. I will lop off all but
> about 2mm of the upper head tube extention beyond the normal amount. I
> will have to only add one piece to each of the headlugs. These lugs have
> lots of potential; I suspect I could come up with at least 5 or 6
> designs that would be unique in some way. I haven't started the
> transformation process on the seat lug yet, but there is no shortage of
> room to work there. WOW!
>
> I'm not sure what will become of these lugs. I don't have any plans to
> build anything with them at this time. I am considering building a
> "superlight" frame with all 1 1/8" main tubes of light steel and very
> minimal lugs. Tiny minimal plate dropouts and even a CARBON?? fork. It
> will be for 650c wheels and a modern light grouppo and wheels. The Ti
> guys on the Sunday ride say I could ride a 13 lb. bike? Is this
> possible? Is there enough money in the world (that I can lay MY hands
> on) to outfit such a wraith of a bicycle? Would I be able to drag my
> sorry ass up the hill any faster on such a machine? I'm very tempted to
> find out. I wonder how light just the frame would be, made of steel with
> "bikini" lugs, etc. I'd better send a memo to R&D to get working on it.
>
> Anyway, I'm seriously enchanted with these lugs. To be honest, I haven't
> started cutting the lugs yet, just the patterns are now on the raw lugs.
> But I already know what the effect will be once finished and
> "excitement" is the only word to use right now. I start up the chainsaw
> and wood chipper to begin carving out some lugs tomorrow morning at 8am
> when the whistle blows. Stand back, I don't want anyone to get hit by
> red hot steel.
>
> I will try to get some photos to Kirk soon so all you fine persons can
> see what sort of thing floats my boat after 30 years of hacking lugs up
> like a cannibal. There are many beautiful lug designs out there, like
> those done by Peter Weigle recently. I like mine as much as anything
> I've seen so far. It combines some of my favorite aspects of classic
> French lugs with some curves from my fondest classic musical instrument.
> I can hardley wait to fire up the chainsaw! YAHOOOOO!
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> Having dreams of Freddy Kruger tonight as inspiration for tomorrow.
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