[CR]Cinelli's are rough? - Who is making "rough" bikes these days?

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Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 05:52:52 -0800
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: Jan Heine <heine@mindspring.com>
Subject: [CR]Cinelli's are rough? - Who is making "rough" bikes these days?


Well said. Comparing my two daily riders, a Rivendell and a Singer, the difference is obvious. Yes, the Singer is unbelievably clean - a truly great brazing job. All lugs are totally symmetrical, because they were cast that way.

Then take the Singer: A few of the lugs aren't quite perfectly symmetrical. The difference is slight, but it is obvious that somebody carved these out of a blank, or maybe even made the lug from two pieces of tubing welded together. Then built them up to a nice radius. Most of the work was done where modern builders start. The bike speaks to me because I know Roland Csuka (whom I unfortunately never met) did this. Of course, the Singer is much cleaner than some Cinellis, but the evidence of handwork remains.

Maybe it is like comparing a photography to a painting - the photo always will be sharper, crisper, yet worth less in many cases.

Which brings me to my question: Who beyond Singer is making "rough" frames today. By that I mean hand-carved lugs, or even better, not-investment cast lugs, etc.

And Brian, what is your take on fillet-brazing?

Jan Heine, Seattle