jan, i see your point. you say 'his' mail was sent to you after reading your post to the list via the archives, (which are available to the world-you need not be a listmember...). so? like i asked, "What's gained by forwarding his mail to you back to the list?" we all have private sides and have likely all said or wrote stuff offlist that was OFFLIST. i am not condoning any of 'his' actions. but i find it hypocritical that the list can be used as a Kangaroo Court for those we choose not to include as vintage bicycle lovin' brethren. i'll probably get booted for this opinion, but i stand by it. offlist, few of us are the saints we try to be here. and the fact that we are still here means we've accepted the rules. as far as i can read into this, your forwarded mail was a private matter. again, that's my opinion. i'm not looking to be divisive, nor to alienate myself from you, jan. e-RICHIE chester, ct
Jan Heine <heine@mindspring.com> writes: Richard,
The message I posted was sent without my soliciting it. It clearly was in response to something I posted (to keep my post short, I removed the "you wrote" quote, but of course, none of the actual message).
I feel that if somebody disagrees with something I post on the list, especially if that person is not on the list, that listmembers might want to know about this disagreement. After both sides have laid out their facts, listmembers can form their own opinion. Only that gets us any further in trying to unravel the history of these bikes.
I have, in the past, sent messages to people who posted them on lists that I usually don't read, most recently when an Alex Singer was outed on the ibob list, and people asked me for advice and opinion. I hope people on the ibob list appreciated my input, despite the fact that I have chosen, for a variety of reasons, not to subscribe to that list.
If somebody posts to me privately and not in direct response to something on the list, I will not forward their comments to the list.
Jan Heine, Seattle
>what is gained by this?
>i also have an offlist email life that contains salicious
>content from both myself as well as listees with whom
>i privately converse. much of it is on topic. some of it
>is sophomoric. some of it is even embarassing and would
>bring some of its authors to their knees.but it is offlist.
>OFFLIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>so why choose this e-exchange to forward to us?
>e-RICHIE
>address left off as a protest
>
>
>Jan Heine <heine@mindspring.com> writes:
>Listers,
>
>I received the following message upon posting that Caminargents may
>not be quite so rare. I posted the original statement as a disclaimer
>when offering to broker the sale of a Caminargent frame...
>After consulting with the listmaster, I believe that in the interest
>of advancing our knowledge of classic lightweight bicycles, this new
>evidence should be shared with the list.
> Jan Heine, Seattle
>
>>Status: U
>>Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:59:16 -0800 (PST)
>>From: kenneth denny <kendenny55@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Your CR Comments
>>To: heine@mindspring.com
>>
>> >>You have no idea what you are talking about. My advice for you is
>>to simply know when to shut the fuck up!!