[CR]Randonneur bars

(Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi)

From: "Steve Clark" <steve@sjscycles.com>
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:31:54 +0100
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Subject: [CR]Randonneur bars

Sirs, Re.talk of Randonneur bars. We have stocks of orginal GB randonneur bars with engraving(photo on our web site)45cm overall width,25.4mm bar diameter £19.99 inc VAT,£17.01 non-vat plus shipping.

Regards Steve Clarke St John St Cycles 91-93 St John Street Bridgwater Somerset TA6 5HX Tel: 01278 441544 (Int ++44-1278-441544) Fax: 01278 431107 (Int ++44-1278-431107) email: mailto:ecom@sjscycles.com http://www.sjscycles.com

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Today's Topics:

1. ebay Bianchi outing, model=??? 2. Stuff I just put on ebay 3. Re: Originals vs. Replicas (jerrymoos) 4. Originals vs. Replicas (Dave Novoselsky) 5. Re: Originals vs. Replicas (Brandon Ives) 6. Re: Just what makes a 'randonneur' bar? (Roy H. Drinkwater) 7. Re: Mavic Tubular rims info needed (Jamie Swan) 8. Re: Originals vs. Replicas (Roy H. Drinkwater) 9. Re: Hetchins Heaven (Brian Baylis) 10. Re: ebay Bianchi outing, model=??? (Chuck Schmidt) 11. Re: Originals vs. Replicas (Chuck Schmidt) 12. Re: Re: [CR]Hetchins Heaven (Peter Naiman) 13. Re: Mavic Tubular rims info needed (Stephen Barner) 14. WTB -- single downtube cable stop, or single downtube shift lever clamp 15. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 4, Issue 73 16. Re: ebay Bianchi outing, model=???

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:28:42 EDT From: Bikerdaver@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, NortonMarg@aol.com Subject: [CR]ebay Bianchi outing, model=??? Message-ID: <16e.1d8a474b.2bd7383a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1

Stevan- Here's an interesting bike. It looks mostly original except for the front brake-caliper and front wheel. Do you have an idea what the model name is?? Cheers, Dave Anderson Cut Bank MT

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--- Title:1953 BIANCHI COPPI BIKE CAMPAGNOLO GRAN SPORT Seller:    speedster@katamail.com Starts:    Apr-20-03 10:53:21 PDT Ends:    Apr-30-03 10:53:21 PDT Price:    Currently $810.00 To bid on the item, go to:    http://ebay.com/<blah>

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:39:32 EDT From: Wornoutguy@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Stuff I just put on ebay Message-ID: <1da.8161e4e.2bd73ac4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2

I hope this doesn't break any rules but I just posted a bunch of stuff on ebay under wornoutguy

Thanks Sam DiBartolomeo Riverside CA

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:02:16 -0500 From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: "goodrichbikes" <goodrichbikes@netzero.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Originals vs. Replicas Message-ID: <01db01c30933$fbf586e0$efddfea9@mooshome> References: <000001c3090c$928d57e0$24163941@computer> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

I think it is history, tradition, and image. The same reasons that a Harley-Davidson sells for a significantly higher price than Japanese motorcycles that are far superior technically. Or French wines from mediocre vinyards sell for more in the US than California wines of the same variety and better quality.

Regards,

Jerry Moos


----- Original Message -----
From: goodrichbikes
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: [CR]Originals vs. Replicas


In the case of randonneur bikes, why is it that that the Herse's and Singer's fetch more loot and respect than the replicas that builders like Toei and Hirose make? At least, this seems to be true in the US. The Toei's almost across the board, are better built and finished than the French builders that he's imitating. Is it that people want the originals? Is it that collectors are more interested in the "oldness" of the French bikes? Or is it a Euro-centric bias? Probably all of the above. Thoughts?

Curt Goodrich Minneapolis, MN

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:59:47 -0500 From: "Dave Novoselsky" <dnovo@ix.netcom.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Originals vs. Replicas Message-ID: <009401c3093c$046a7800$210110ac@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4

I would assume that part of the problem, Curt, is just as you suspect: = Japanese framebuilders simply get 'no respect' while French builders are treated with what amounts to virtual sainthood. And, there is little objective reason for either view.

I may not have the same eye for a frame that you and Richie Sachs possess, but both of you have expressed quite a bit of appreciation for = such Japanese efforts as the Nagasawa frame which I was fortunate enough = to purchase earlier this year and Richie 'outed' on this group. Richie = refers to the works of this one-man shop as his source of inspiration = for many years. You also expressed appreciation of the early 80s Zunow = frame that I bought recently and just finished building Yet another = Japanese framebuilder that is largely unappreciated by collectors in = this country.

Frankly, there are some excellent builders in Japan and they have been at work at their craft nearly as long as their French counterparts. Which group has the better product?

Well, I was thinking of a Singer recently, then I saw what some would call an 'imitation' of the same style by Toei that a friend had brought = back from Japan. I agree that there is no question which one was constructed and built better, the Japanese product. The workmanship on the frame (of course, to my layman's eye only) was better on the Japanese product. The paint was superior as well, and paint is usually = something that most enthusiats can weigh without the same problems that = might present themselves when contrasting style and ability in basic = frame construction.

Let me offer this observation as well: Compare the average 'low end' lugged steel frame from a builder in Europe, including some of the current 'survivors' offered by traditional Italian builders such as Cinelli, Tommasini, etc. I like my recently acquired, current production CInelli SuperCorsa, But sitting next to my Rivendell Atlantis or Rambo, also lugged steel in roughly the same price range (okay, the Cinelli is a tad cheaper, but the equiv Tommasini is the same price) the fit and finish, especially the lug work (and the labor on the = lugs themselves as well as the basic lugs) on the Japanese-built Rivs is = head and shoulders above their 'Old World' rivals. Paint? Give me a = break, the Rivs are so far above their competition that it is not even = an issue.

As I said, Curt, the Japanese simply get no respect when it comes to bicycles, now or in 'our era.'

Dave Novoselsky Chicago, Illinois

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:17:13 -0700 From: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com> To: "Dave Novoselsky" <dnovo@ix.netcom.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Originals vs. Replicas Message-ID: <B2743877-7531-11D7-A170-00039356BD92@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <009401c3093c$046a7800$210110ac@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

YEA, BABY. . . YEA, YEA. . . .

Oh actually boo, booo. . . this means I have someone else to compete against in the Ebay bidding arena. Was it Sarah Gibson who had the fully trick Zunow that sold for $500 a few months ago? What a smoking deal, any European bike of similar quality would have gotten at least twice as much. damn, damn, damn. . . Brandon"monkeyman"Ives SB, CA

On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Dave Novoselsky wrote:
> I would assume that part of the problem, Curt, is just as you suspect:
> Japanese framebuilders simply get 'no respect' while French builders
> are treated with what amounts to virtual sainthood. And, there is
> little objective reason for either view.
>
> I may not have the same eye for a frame that you and Richie Sachs
> possess, but both of you have expressed quite a bit of appreciation
> for such Japanese efforts as the Nagasawa frame which I was fortunate
> enough to purchase earlier this year and Richie 'outed' on this group.
> Richie refers to the works of this one-man shop as his source of
> inspiration for many years. You also expressed appreciation of the
> early 80s Zunow frame that I bought recently and just finished
> building Yet another Japanese framebuilder that is largely
> unappreciated by collectors in this country.
>
> Frankly, there are some excellent builders in Japan and they have been
> at work at their craft nearly as long as their French counterparts.
> Which group has the better product?
>
> Well, I was thinking of a Singer recently, then I saw what some would
> call an 'imitation' of the same style by Toei that a friend had
> brought back from Japan. I agree that there is no question which one
> was constructed and built better, the Japanese product. The
> workmanship on the frame (of course, to my layman's eye only) was
> better on the Japanese product. The paint was superior as well, and
> paint is usually something that most enthusiats can weigh without the
> same problems that might present themselves when contrasting style and
> ability in basic frame construction.
>
> Let me offer this observation as well: Compare the average 'low end'
> lugged steel frame from a builder in Europe, including some of the
> current 'survivors' offered by traditional Italian builders such as
> Cinelli, Tommasini, etc. I like my recently acquired, current
> production CInelli SuperCorsa, But sitting next to my Rivendell
> Atlantis or Rambo, also lugged steel in roughly the same price range
> (okay, the Cinelli is a tad cheaper, but the equiv Tommasini is the
> same price) the fit and finish, especially the lug work (and the labor
> on the lugs themselves as well as the basic lugs) on the
> Japanese-built Rivs is head and shoulders above their 'Old World'
> rivals. Paint? Give me a break, the Rivs are so far above their
> competition that it is not even an issue.
>
> As I said, Curt, the Japanese simply get no respect when it comes to
> bicycles, now or in 'our era.'
>
> Dave Novoselsky
> Chicago, Illinois
>
>
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:16:31 -0400 From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@ptd.net> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Just what makes a 'randonneur' bar? Message-ID: <a05200f06bacba6fe568b@[192.168.1.1]> In-Reply-To: <a05010400bacb75a63d33@[66.167.139.90]> References: <006701c308fe$6a4184e0$ead2f50c@C1921978A> <a05010400bacb75a63d33@[66.167.139.90]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6

Jan Heine said:
>Currently, I think only Nitto makes them [randonneur bars]. If your
>bike dealer has
>trouble finding them, I am sure there are dealers on this newsgroup
>who can help.

They're at http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/head.html#handlebars

Roy "had the narrow ones," Drinkwater Lititz, "but installed moustache bars" PA

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:25:53 -0400 From: Jamie Swan <jswan@optonline.net> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, kctommy@msn.com Subject: Re: [CR]Mavic Tubular rims info needed Message-ID: <3EA5F9B1.B0F62E86@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-typeT455854; x-mac-creatorM4F5353 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 7

Hi Tom,

I believe that the style of the sticker changed before the rim was changed to the heavier (extruded) version. I have a rim in stock that is the earlier (lighter) style but with the new style sticker.

As far as identifying the two types. The newer one has a taller profile and a raised section on the tire gluing surface.

I also have a nos example of the Mavic Sport rim that you asked about in stock. If you want to call me at the shop tomorrow I'll weigh it for you. 631-262-0909 - 11:00 until 4:00 east coast time.

Jamie Swan - Northport, N.Y.

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:28:08 -0400 From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@ptd.net> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Originals vs. Replicas Message-ID: <a05200f07bacba8b9bed5@[192.168.1.1]> In-Reply-To: <009401c3093c$046a7800$210110ac@VALUEDCB7D4C82> References: <009401c3093c$046a7800$210110ac@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Another thing to consider is the language barrier. How many of us speak, read, write Japanese vs. French or Italian or German? One thing I regret about my education is that I didn't have an opportunity to learn Japanese.

Roy "mono-tongued" Drinkwater Lititz, "heard German in the Mennonite bike shop today" PA ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:47:14 -0700 From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com> To: LouDeeter@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Hetchins Heaven Message-ID: <3EA5FEB2.FC8@adnc.com> References: <16c.1d7002c8.2bd334ec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com Message: 9

Lou,

Sorry for the delay on this responce. I've been pressed for time as always. I spoke with Jimmy on the phone a few minutes ago and he asked me to respond to your email, as he was having difficulty sending you an answer. Those are known as "Coronation" decals. Introduced in 1951/52 to commemorate the coronation of the Queen. Those decals were available on any Hetchins from that date forward, but Jimmy tells me that bikes are rarely seen with all three decals on the frame because many people felt that the decals were "too much". I've seen several original frames with the other two Coronation decals intact, but only this one with all three. I don't remember which lug pattern he said the bike was, but it is easy to tell I'm sure.

Jimmy extended a thank you to all who came to the showing this year and told me that he really enjoys displaying the bikes for fans of Hetchins to see and appreciate. He mentioned that the crowd this year seemed more knowledgable and enthusiastic than he recalls in the past. Imagine THAT, HIM thanking US for comming to see his bikes. It is us that should thank Jimmy and Helen for their generosity; and we have. Thanks to the up front efforts of Mark Petry, we have arranged a gift for them to show our gratitude. Thanks Mark! I'll hit up the rest of you guys for a few scheckles to cover Mark. Thanks to all who attended this year. Ain't it grand that we can give this gentleman pleasure by letting him give us pleasure? Too bad the rest of life isn't this perfect. I mentioned Velo Rendezvous to Jimmy during the event. Don't know if he will bring something to Pasadena to show on Sunday, but I put a bug in his ear. NO, it wasn't anything big, ugly, and slimey; it was more like a cute ladybug or something. Hope he will join us in the fun.

Hope that does it for you Lou. If not, shake the Magic 8 Ball and ask again.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA You know what, I just realized I would like to have a Magic 8 Ball(you do remember those, don't you?); does anyone have one they would sell? Imagine, "Should I build this frame out of Reynolds or Columbus?"
>
> In a message dated 4/19/2003 7:13:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jaysports@lycos.com writes:
>
> > <A
> > HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/jaysportif">http://photos.yahoo.com/ja
> > ysportif</A>
> >
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jaysportif/vwp?.dir=/Hetchins+Heaven&
> > .dnm=DSCN0617.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
>
> DSCN0617
>
> This one has some very interesting loonnnngg decals on the seat, top
> and downtubes. What are the particulars on this model? Lou Deeter,
> Orlando FL
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:05:15 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay Bianchi outing, model=??? Message-ID: <3EA602EA.100AA1FC@earthlink.net> References: <16e.1d8a474b.2bd7383a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 10

Dave Anderson wrote:
>
> Stevan-
> Here's an interesting bike. It looks mostly original except for the
> front brake-caliper and front wheel. Do you have an idea what the
> model name is??
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> Title:1953 BIANCHI COPPI BIKE CAMPAGNOLO GRAN SPORT
> Seller:    speedster@katamail.com
> Starts:    Apr-20-03 10:53:21 PDT
> Ends:    Apr-30-03 10:53:21 PDT
> Price:    Currently $810.00
> To bid on the item, go to:   
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----

That would be a Bianchi Campione del Mondo (Bianchi named it after Fausto Coppi's victory in the 1953 Worlds held in Lugano, Switzerland). A huge victory for Coppi and Bianchi.

Chuck Schmidt L.A.

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:15:44 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Originals vs. Replicas Message-ID: <3EA6055F.C3A53BFA@earthlink.net> References: <000001c3090c$928d57e0$24163941@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 11

goodrichbikes wrote:
>
> In the case of randonneur bikes, why is it that that the Herse's and
> Singer's fetch more loot and respect than the replicas that builders
> like Toei and Hirose make? At least, this seems to be true in the US.
> The Toei's almost across the board, are better built and finished than
> the French builders that he's imitating. Is it that people want the
> originals? Is it that collectors are more interested in the "oldness"
> of the French bikes? Or is it a Euro-centric bias? Probably all of
> the above. Thoughts?

Curt, I thought we'd hear from Jim Cunningham by now but I'll relate what he told me a few years ago...

Jim was invited to help judge a show in Japan a few years ago. Big deal show at the ski resort on Mt. Fuji. Jim told me that the new Toeis with all new-old-stock rare french period parts finished ahead of the original Herse and Singer vintage bikes!

Go figure!

Chuck Schmidt L.A.

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:17:21 -0400 From: Peter Naiman <vze4k5n6@verizon.net> To: <rocklube@adnc.com>, <LouDeeter@aol.com> Cc: twrawson@worldnet.att.net Cc: len@nutwood30.free-online.co.uk Cc: moore.ad@virgin.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: flash@flashq.de Subject: Re: Re: [CR]Hetchins Heaven Message-ID: <20030423031721.LZGS2239.out003.verizon.net@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Brian: The Coronation decals may not have been originally produced for the Coronation as once thought. The are three frames that predate the coronation, and one that was produced in 1950, with accompanying documenatation. The current speculation is that these decals were produced to introduce the "Latin Lug" series in 1950. The special designation is uncertain according to Flash from Hetchins.org. This is the wording from Hetchins.org. It just seems rather strange that Hetchins would produce decals to commemorate a coronation while George was still on the throne, and a full two years before his demise. The Royal Warrant theory that Flash talks about seems to make more sense. It makes more sense, that these decals were produced for either the Latin Series, or Royal Warrant, and when they didn't go over very well, they were renamed to commemorate the Coronation.

Peter Naiman Boston, MA . .................................................................. "The designation 'Coronation' is of uncertain origin. Three frames have been positively identified by frame numbers and correlated with sales ledger entries, all bearing original transfers, all predating the death of George VI (and therefore any inkling of an impending coronation). One of the three is from 1950, predating the Festival of Britain in 1951, so speculation that they may have been designed for the Festival now seems implausible. Click here to see one of the early frames with the full set.

The current speculation is that these transfers were designed to compliment the Latin Series of lugs introduced in 1950. Whether they had a special designation is uncertain.

There has been a report of correspondence mentioning the transfers as 'Coronation', but I have not been able to confirm this. However, in conjunction with another report, also as yet unconfirmed, the designation seems to make sense. The other report claims that Hetchin sought a royal warrant ('by appointment to Her Majesty the Queen'), and, although the application ultimately failed, it is possible that Hetchin decided to start calling the transfers 'Coronation' to honor his hoped-for patron. [George VI died in February 1952; Elizabeth's coronation took place in June 1953". ...................................................................

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:20:22 -0400 From: "Stephen Barner" <steve@sburl.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: kctommy@msn.com Subject: Re: [CR]Mavic Tubular rims info needed Message-ID: <003201c30947$479cc410$6400a8c0@loewy> References: <CATFOODEFutyAm6Iwj500001d84@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

I have an older Mavic rim here that has the word Sport stamped into the aluminum next to the label. It has half-ferrules and patterned sidewalls to make the brakes sing and let everyone know you are a wuss. I have no idea how much it weighs, but it seems about the same as other Mavics, Fiamme red labels and AVAs of the 70's. Certainly, a lot heavier than a Fiamme yellow.

Maybe those embossed sidewalls were to hide the Mafac squeal? A bunch of Frenchmen watching out for each other? They sure didn't seem to make any difference in the rain--they might have been worse than smooth rims. I remember hating the ones that came on my '72 Paramount because of the noise. I replaced them with smooth sidewall Fiamme reds. In those days, wheels tended to have less spoke tension, to keep the spokes from distorting the rims. I recall adjusting my brakes really close, only to hear the vvvvvt-vvvvt-vvvvt of the Mavic in the rear kissing the brakepad when I was out of the saddle on a steep climb, accompanied by a 20-something making some snide comment about the jerk kid who couldn't true his wheels...

Steve Barner, whose latest Paramount has those darn singing Mavics, and who will have to keep them for hysterical accuracy purposes, Bolton, Vermont

A word of caution to the over-the-hill-club members in the north. I went out for a ride on my '74 Raleigh Pro, Sunday afternoon. Felt good at the 20 mile mark, where I had planned to turn around--too good to turn back, I thought. Decided to extend the loop. Knew I was in deepest doo-doo when I saw frozen ponds and a sign indicating 10 more miles to the Canadian border. 45 very painful miles later, and in the dark, I got back to the car. 90 miles all together. Moral? It's early yet, START SLOW! (Ouch)


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> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:40:46 +0000
> From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com>
> 2nd question. Does anyone remember a Mavic "Sport" rim? Rim is
> polished silver, with a rectangular Mavic label, the red with gold inside old style. Hubs on the rims appear to be late 70's, which checks with the rim label (I think). Does anyone know the weight and intended use of these rims?

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:07:44 EDT From: PBridge130@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] WTB -- single downtube cable stop, or single downtube shift lever clamp Message-ID: <3d.2e90ed2c.2bd76b90@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

Greetings,

I'm putting together a vintage Italian town rocket, based on a 60's Columbus frame, probably a Coppi. I'm considering setting it up as a five-speed, with either a single bar-end shifter, or a single DT shifter. For the bar-end, I'll need a housing stop; for the shifter, I'd need a single shifter set-up. I figure I could also turn a single-lever DT shifter into a housing stop.

Anyone in a position to help?

Maybe it really ought'a be a single-speed.... now I just gotta figure out how to fab a chainguard. Shouldn't actually be that hard, using thinnish alu stock. Obviously, the challenge is clearing the crank arm. Ah! Put the ring on the inner shoulder of the double crank...

Anyhoo, anyone got those bits and pieces?

Thx

Peter Bridge Denver CO ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:21:51 EDT From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 4, Issue 73 Message-ID: <41.2dc2e0b8.2bd76edf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15

Welcome to the list John; always great to have more knowledge on the "panel" of contributors.

In case there have not already been 10 emails telling you how to access the archives, I'll include a link here: <A HREF="http://search.bikelist.org/">http://search.bikelist.org/</A>. This database includes postings from at least the CR and BOB lists, perhaps more too.

If you try enough keyword combos, you can usually find a way to bring up

thread postings covering the subject you are interested in at the moment.

Best regards, Mark Agree Oak Park MI

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:22:42 EDT From: NortonMarg@aol.com To: Bikerdaver@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: ebay Bianchi outing, model=??? Message-ID: <194.180b561c.2bd76f12@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16

In a message dated 4/22/03 5:28:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Bikerdaver writes:


> Here's an interesting bike. It looks mostly original except for the
> front
> brake-caliper and front wheel. Do you have an idea what the model name is??
> < http://ebay.com/<blah>

Hi Dave, Depending on a couple of things, this is essentially a "Team Issue". Some of these were sold with a decal that said Campione del Mondo or Tour de France. At that time, Bianchi was using recent victories to name models. It looks a little too shiny to be unrestored, but it's almost impossible to tell from pictures. Anyone know anything about it other than the stem is about 1.5" too high in the fork? Stevan Thomas Alameda, CA

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