Re: [CR]Ciocc time trial frameset

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli)

Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:14:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Carl" <carlchu.geo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Ciocc time trial frameset
To: James Giacomo Bellora <bellovelo@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030514152446.39381.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Here's a picture of my bike:

http://home.indy.rr.com/carlhu/stuff/ciocc.jpg

I've had it for around 8 years - only rode it in 2 time trials...

It has a Campy Athena gruppo with a Record rear hub and a unknown front hub. Not terribly light by today's standards, but you sure feel fast when you're on it!

Carl Hu Indy, IN --- "James \"Giacomo\" Bellora" <bellovelo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Carl,
> I don't know anything specific about it other than
> Ciocc was a well regarded popular italian marque in
> the late 70's and 80's (they are still around). The
> funny bike configuration you speak of was the
> derigeur standard (fashion) for time trial bikes
> from the late 80's and early '90's. Most of the
> euro builders made TT bikes this way (I have seen
> Pinarellos, Daccordi's, DeRosas, and USA ones
> too)...curved tubes and smaller front wheels. So it
> was probably custom made for a racer for TT's. I
> own a Ciocc so I can tell you more about them in
> general.
>
> Even up to around 1997 smaller front wheels for TT
> bikes was the standard (though shaped aero tubing
> replaced the funky curved tubes) until the UCI
> commissionaires stipulated that both wheels should
> be the same size (and other limitations on tubing,
> etc). Jan Ullrich's TT bike he won the '97 Tour on
> had a 24" wheel on the front. The ultimate could
> have been Francesco Moser's Hour record bike with a
> MONSTER wheel in the back (not sure -what size but
> much bigger than a 700c) and a small wheel in front.
>
> Ciocc was the brand of maestro builder Giovanni
> Pelizzoli, a former apprentice of Ugo DeRosa (Ciocc
> was GP's nickname). He built frames for the Polish
> National teams for years and eventually was the
> master designer of all of the Fausto Coppi
> (Maschiagi--sp?) frames debutted in 1994. Most
> popular models were his "World 77" Model (aka the
> "San Cristobal" Model) celebrating Claudio Corti's
> U23 Worlds win on a Ciocc and the "Mockba (Moscow)
> '80" which celebrated the Olympic RR exploits of the
> Polish National Team (2nd or 3rd in the RR) on a
> Ciocc.
>
> Forgive any inaccuracies (aka talking out my ass)
> from the CR list historians.
>
> Giacomo Bellora, Falls Church VA
>
> Carl <carlchu.geo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has anybody heard about this frameset?
>
> I have one and was interested in finding out more
> about it, like when it was made, etc.
>
> It is a 650C front wheel, 700C rear wheel, sloping
> top
> tube, funny bike type frame. It has a chrome fork,
> chainstays and a seat tube that curves around the
> rear
> wheel.
>
> TIA,
>
> Carl
>
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