Re: [CR]clearcoats conceal classic colour mojo? (was gios blue)

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From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [CR]clearcoats conceal classic colour mojo? (was gios blue)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:21:00 -0400
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Hi Mark,

<<Really why clearcoat at all, new or vintage?>>

IMHO, may I suggest that the use of a clearcoat and its chip resistance and durability all depends on what you want to use it for. Some vintage frames came with OEM clear coats that evetually faded or yellowed with age. While some people like this "patina" look, I prefer frames that look just like they came out of the factory - yellow patina not prefered.

There are some clear finishes used on show cars and bikes that have a real "wet" look that only lasts for say, 6 months. Some vintage clear coat lacquers (like those on OEM vintage Raleighs) would yellow after 1 year. Finally, there are urethane clear coats that are far more durable (10+ years), but also difficult to remove. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what they want to achieve, is it not?

<<I'd rather just replace decals- never liked too many of them either, especially the ones... [that only look like} just an advert>>.

CyclArt not included, there are fortunately many new options for repro decals from several vendors available for private collectors like me. Some of these vintage decals are very rare to find so replacing them may not be quite as easy as you make it sound. This is why I now clear coat all my urethane frame resprays after I apply the vintage decals... I am saving future problems/hassles by protecting my time and decal investment with adequate clear coats.

Regards, Steve Neago Cincinnati, OH "Suiting up with my SCBA for another round of airbrush urethane painting ! "


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: 'Grant McLean'


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [CR]clearcoats conceal classic colour mojo? (was gios blue)


> Really why clearcoat at all, new or vintage? It protects the paint some
> and of course the decals but makes touchup a more difficult two step
> process. Ultimately you are bound to get nicks in the clear coat, the
> more severe ones penetrating the color too. Maybe clearcoat protects
> some paints like silver metalics from fading but ....I'd rather just
> replace decals- never liked too many of them either, especially the ones
> that don't look like any thought was put into making them an attactive
> design rather than just an advert..
>
> I like the fact that my car has no clearcoat for the same reasons.
>
> Mark Cutrufelli
> Laurel,MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Grant
> McLean
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:44 PM
> To: Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)
> Subject: [CR]clearcoats conceal classic colour mojo? (was gios blue)
>
>
> Gios blue with a clearcoat? Whaaaaaat?
>
> Why does it seem like standard operating procedure to clearcoat vintage
> frames
> that never had one originally, when they get a respray?
>
> Especially on a Gios, with it's replaceable panel decals, why mess it up
> with a
> clearcoat? Are replaceable decals such an awful idea? I used to
> change
> between blue panels and white ones (like a mood ring) when I had a Gios
> is the 80's
>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto.Ca
>
>
>
> Phil,
> See if you can get some House of Kolor SG-110 Marine Blue. It's
> manufactured by Valspar paint company. Spray over a red primer base and
> you have Gios blue. Spray over a white base and you have Colnago blue.
> Clear coat over everything. It's as simple as that.
>
> Joe Bell
> San Diego
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Grizic" <pgrizic@haggie.co.za>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:32 AM
> Subject: [CR]Gios Blue
>
>
> > I recently purchased a late 70's Gios Torino- super record, that had
> already
> > been resprayed ( red and white ) and was very rough. I wanted to bring
>
> > it back to the original Gios Blue so stripped it down ready for a
> > respray. Managed to borrow a new Gios frame in blue and had the paint
>
> > matched for the respray. The frame was resprayed but I am not happy
> > that the blue is correct - to me it is too light and too dull. Funny
> > it looked close when
> the
> > guy matched the paint but when it was sprayed onto the bike it is way
> > off.
> I
> > am thinking of having it again resprayed. Any suggestions on how to
> > better match the colour ? Does anyone know the formula of the mix of
> > the paint ? Thanks Phil Grizic
> > Durban - South Africa
> >
> >
>
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