Re: [CR]Constructeurs/technical trials/drillium

Example: Events:Cirque du Cyclisme:2002

Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:28:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR]Constructeurs/technical trials/drillium
From: Richard M Sachs <>

if i build the frame and also assemble the parts on it, but leave off the fenders, am i a constructeur? e-RICHIE 17th arrondisement chester, ct

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:08:44 -0500 "goodrichbikes" <> writes:
> Jan Heine posted:
> Clearly, the French cyclotourists considered the person who put the
> bike together, who made sure fenders, lights, racks, derailleurs
> and
> all worked together, the constructeur. For them, the frame is only
> one part of the bike, maybe more important than fenders, wheels or
> other parts, but not by that much.
> My question is if I build a rando frame for a customer but he or she
> puts
> the parts on, are they the constructeur? I believe what you posted
> is
> historically correct but it sounds a little pathetic that the guy
> that
> screws on the fenders gets credit for the bike. This doesn't seem
> consistant with your earlier postings about how cyclotourists saw
> the bike
> as a whole rather than a frame with parts hung on it. If the frame
> wasn't
> designed and built to accomodate the appropriate parts to create
> the
> cyclotourist whole, try as the wanna be constructeur might the whole
> package
> won't come together.
> Curt Goodrich
> Minneapolis, MN
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