Re: [CR]regardin matteo s masi

(Example: Component Manufacturers:Campagnolo)

Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:39:23 -0700
From: "Brian Baylis" <rocklube@adnc.com>
To: matteo brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it>
Subject: Re: [CR]regardin matteo s masi
References: <BB07A040.3B9B%bees.bfg@tin.it>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

matteo,

No worries Matteo, I understand what you want to know and I am not opposed to explaining my opinions on this topic. No need to be concerned that I might take it personal or be offended. We're here to share and learn. My proclaimations are in this case based on the "odds" of one case being true as opposed to another. I'll do my best to be clear and accurate on this so that maybe we can all come away with some good information.

Right now I need to run to the welders' supply to get some brazing gas and then I am off to the Velodrome to ride with the vintage gang. I'll get into this in detail this afternoon. My theories on this matter come from several places; my personal contact with Faliero, my understanding of the Italian system of framebuilding relationships, the frame itself, and in the case of comparison of Brett Hortons' DeRosa, seeing the actual frame in person.

Nothing personal regardless of whom I'm addressing, always interested only on the facts. There is a lot of BS that comes along with this industry; it's our job to try and make sense of it and hopefully to establish some accurate historical information on the subjects at hand.

Stay tuned.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA


>
> > matteo,
> >
> > What I can say is that I believe the odds are heavily in favor of that
> > frame NOT having been built by Faliero himself. I would say that the
> > odds are heavily in favor of the probability that the frame was
> > "commissioned" by Faliero for the purpose of selling to someone in
> > particular as a "favor" from Faliero.
> >
> > Brian Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> >
> >
> >>
> >> SO Brian,lemme get thi s straight,that bike was made by someone else,and not
> >> Faliero?Let reply on-list,lets make e-Richie happy with another masi thread.
> >>
> >> Teo Brandi Fiorenza Italia
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
>
> Brian
> so the frame would have been built by Alberto or someone that was workin in
> the shop back then or some sub-contractor?What make su think so?IF one day,u
> would stop building frames and some really good friend of yours(or a MAtteo
> with a bottle of wine) shows up and says"Brian,i know u stopped,but i want
> one of your frames!"what would u do?Build it?say no?Get it commissioned to
> someone else?How come when it comes to old master framebuilders(especially
> Faliero),everything get so "improbable"?So im free to think that MR.Horton
> Derosa is a commissioned bike?I dunno if Brett was there when Ugo was
> building it,but having him sayin that,why that wouldnt work for Faliero.If
> that Derosa would pop up on ebay and MrHorton would say something"Bike has
> been built by UGo himself for a friend,so this bike is unique ,thanx also to
> the 50s decals(if i recall right)chrome lugs and all that.What would u guys
> think?That drosa is afake?UGO would NEVER dosomething like that?UGo had it
> BUilt by someone else as a favor for a friend?Ugo stopped building long time
> ago,so i DOubt ill GET THAT?
> Id really like to hear opinions and FACTS.so lets keep this thin onlist.Yo
> Brian,i m not mad or gettin it personal,i just wanna know whats up!Hope to
> see u in Cali soon,maybe one day ill get the itch again!
>
> MAtteo "inquirin minds wants to know" BRandi Fiorenza Italia