Re: [CR]Re: Frame Fatigue

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From: "stevens" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Frame Fatigue
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:34:50 -0700
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Personally, I'm experiencing a little "cyclic softening" myself; especially around the middle ... but I think that has more to do with NOT riding the bikes.

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From: tarik saleh
Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Frame Fatigue

> Jan writes:

\r?\n> > (I am sure

\r?\n> > >somebody will explain that frames get soft with use

\r?\n> > and "reset" after

\r?\n> > >a rest.)


\r?\n> wrote:

\r?\n> > Bicycles are the same way...

\r?\n> > after a ride, they must have a rest period for the

\r?\n> > frames to "reset".

\r?\n> > Therefore it is essential for any serious rider to

\r?\n> > have a stable of bikes to prevent

\r?\n> > "frame fatigue"... at least that is what I have told

\r?\n> > my wife.


\r?\n> Interestingly, cyclic softening and hardening are real

\r?\n> phenomena, as is strain rate sensitivity.


\r?\n> Cyclic softening is when, with (for example) a

\r?\n> constant load, each fatigue cycle results in more

\r?\n> deflection. Cyclic hardening is the opposite. I am

\r?\n> pretty sure the reason I get beat in sprints is that

\r?\n> my bike is exhibiting cyclic softening, while my

\r?\n> competitors is just the opposite allowing him or her

\r?\n> to beat me by ensuring more of their power goes to

\r?\n> beating me and less to making their bike softer with

\r?\n> age. Damn them.


\r?\n> Additionally, I think strain rate sensitivity would be

\r?\n> a good description, if very loosely and inaccurately

\r?\n> applied, to the interesting observations of Jan and

\r?\n> Bob above. Correctly, one sees strain rate

\r?\n> sensitivity when puling a piece of silly putty. Pull

\r?\n> it real slow and it exhibits super plastic behavior,

\r?\n> extending many times its original length before it

\r?\n> breaks. Pull it quickly and it snaps at very small

\r?\n> strain.


\r?\n> Quasi-tangentially, I think the idea of given frames a

\r?\n> rest between rides can be loosely described as letting

\r?\n> the fatigue damage anneal itself out with time (as the

\r?\n> atoms migrate about) at room temp. Aluminum is even

\r?\n> better for this as many alloys will undergo room temp

\r?\n> aging phenomena, but of course this is OT.


\r?\n> So, in conclusion, when asked "why I need so many

\r?\n> bicyles " I will tell people the following:


\r?\n> Due to concerns about cyclic softening and strain rate

\r?\n> sensitivity, I need to age my bikes, reversing fatigue

\r?\n> damage, so I rotate each bike in and out of service to

\r?\n> ensure that each bike is at its very freshest each

\r?\n> time I ride, anything else would be uncivilized.


\r?\n> (phenomena are real, application of said phenomena was

\r?\n> done EXCEPTIONALLY poorly for humorous effects)


\r?\n> Tarik, materials magician


\r?\n> =====

\r?\n> Tarik Saleh

\r?\n> PO box 1326, Knoxville, TN 37901

\r?\n> tsaleh at rocketmail dot com

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