Re: [CR]Fender Aerodynamics


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From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Fender Aerodynamics
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:47:28 -0500


Fact :

The front portion of front fender CAN make your motorbike , or your bicycle , more aerodynamic .

Fact :

On a bicycle , the average front fender does not work that way .

Fact :

All other aspects of fenders are neutral at best , and usually worsen the vehicle's aerodynamics .

Proof ?

The easiest proof is to simply look at a photo of a world-class road racing motorcycle . There are limits ( in the rule-books ) to how large a front fender can be . Road racing motorbikes generally use the largest most coverage that they can get away with . They won't let them enclose the wheel too much , for fear of what would happen in a strong gusty cross-wind . But look closely . It's all out in FRONT of the front fork !! Think about the aerodynamic load of a spinning front tire . The top of that tire is going , MUCH faster than the whole rest of the vehicle is traveling !! And the top of the front tire is always going "against the wind" !! So , if you can protect the front of the front tire , from the wind , or actually looking at it the other way , protect the wind from the spinning front tire , you CAN make your vehicle more aerodynamic .

If Formula One racing cars were allowed to use fenders , they would , instantly . Having the wheels sticking out in the breeze is bad . The tops of the front tires are far and away the worst offenders !!

On a bicycle , the seat tube protects the front of the rear tire . Think about aerodynamic bicycle frames with curved "cut-outs" in the seat tube for the rear tire .

So , what about smoothing the airflow , or trying to smooth the airflow , behind the tires ?

Again , take a look at road racing motorbikes .

The efforts are very minimal . The rewards are just not enough to justify much effort .

The BIGGEST and most IMPORTANT aspect of an aerodynamic front fender ??

Tight & close & form-fitting !!!!

It would need to wrap around the sides of the front of the front tire . It would need to travel forward , around the front of the front tire , MUCH farther than the average bicycle fenders do today .

Bicycle fenders today , look like motorbike fenders from the 1920's .

And , I use them and love them !! But then , I'm the kind of nut who reads something called , "The Classic Rendezvous Mailing List" .

I just read on a Sheldon Brown web page , only two days ago , about painting SKS / Esge fenders successfully . I was inspired ! I've been thinkin' about it for two days . Now , today , both Dennis & Sheldon write in about it !! Cool !!

I'm gonna try it .

Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas


----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant McLean"
To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)"
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:39 AM
Subject: [CR]Fender Aerodynamics



> guys and dolls,
>
> I'm no expert, but I would have thought that fenders increase the "frontal
> area" of a bicycle,
> thus making it less aerodynamic, in the same way that fatter tires cut a
> bigger hole in the
> air than narrow ones.
>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto.Ca
>
>
>
> Fenders:
>
> - Why I like them: aerodynamic advantage, look nice, 10 minutes of
> rain can spoil your ride without fenders
> - Which ones: Honjo. Lighter than plastic, don't rattle, look nicer,
> more coverage. Second choice: stainless from France (always shiny,
> indestructible). Third choice, if you live in a dry place with only
> occasional rain: Berthoud carbon. Not much lighter, but they fit
> close-coupled racing bikes.
> - How to mount: Vintage Bicycle Quarterly No. 2 had an article with
> photos. It's important to do it right, otherwise, they won't last.
>
> A future article in VBQ will compare different fenders...
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor/publisher
> Vintage Bicycle Quarterly