[CR]Re: French QR Questions


Example: Framebuilders:Doug Fattic

Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Gurth <rononice@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Subject: [CR]Re: French QR Questions

My 1970 Mercier with the plain jane Normandy high flange hubs came with Atom QRs, which had the black plastic winged washers. They still work great and the chrome has held up well. Ron Gurth Gettin' too Hot for wool in Carmel, IN

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:35:01 EDT From: DavidS4410@aol.com To: bill_bryant@prodigy.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Conversations on wheel building...are there great wheelbuilders and w... Message-ID: <12a.2d321424.2c339ed5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

Bill, What you say is correct. However, in the normal daily business of selling and repairing bicycles, speed is a key ingredient to wheel building. In fact now prebuilt wheels dominate the market. As a former bike racer who "switched over" going to work for Schwinn, I used to hear a lot of complaints about poorly built wheels. But for the bulk of the bike riding public, factory machine built wheels were OK. I never learned to build wheels myself, prefering instead to leave it to experts such as Oscar Juner or, yes, Spence Wolf. I always heard that his wife, Lillian, would lace the wheels and Spence would tension them. Later at Schwinn when we purchased Kestrel, they did not want us to build wheels for them, but I went to our wheel builder in Southern California, Sta-Tru Wheels, and said I wanted a wheel that was built properly, and didn't care that took longer and cost more to do, to just do it, they came back with a wheel that suprised the Kestrel people. We used our wheels for the Kestrel kit program. Dave Staub

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:46:00 -0800 From: "J.Dunn" To: , Subject: Re: [CR]Conversations on wheel building...are there greatwheelbuildersand why are they better than others? Message-ID: <027c01c34054$d6e3f500$0201a8c0@pacbell.net> References: <020501c34013$ac8ddb40$ead2f50c@C1921978A><3F0200FE.4F3EE60C@earthlink.net><3F02084D.539B0E6D@earthlink.net><019801c34032$c66ed2c0$0201a8c0@pacbell.net> <3F021442.22F2BD39@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
> Actually the question I posed to you, "What's your opinion John?", was
> what is your opinion regarding wheel builders... not what is your
> opinion about list veterans, Masi, Campagnolo, and the rest of the
> agenda. ;)
>
> Chuck in South Pasadena

Oh, I understood your question perfectly, Chuck, as you well know, but I deferred to your superior knowledge and experience as one of the annointed ones (or is that"in The Circle of Trust") .

It appears that, although there seem to be a number of list members interested enough in this thread to offer some pertinent replies, you don't seem to want to offer anything except snide remarks about those replies. Have you lost all interest in offering anything opinions of value if it doesn't happen to be what *you* are interested in talking about?

It doesn't matter what my opinion is, on this thread, only that you seem to be going out of your way to discourage newer members from asking questions that *you* think are dead horses and no longer need to be "hashed" out. Arrogance draws few converts. :-)

John in Boise
>
>

"J.Dunn" wrote:
> >
> > There you see how easy that was? ;-) Just because there are *many*
> > subjects that have been "hashed" over on the list, by all the list veterans,
> > doesn't mean that someone who hasn't heard all the same comments should be
> > denied a meaningful reply. That's my opinion, Chuck. Maybe he should have
> > included Masi or Campagnolo in his question, since those subjects certainly
> > haven't been hashed over very much.
> >
> > John in Boise
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck Schmidt"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Conversations on wheel building...are there great
> > wheelbuildersand why are they better than others?
> >
> > > Okay John, have it your way.
> > >
> > > My opinion: No, no their wheels are no better than any other good wheel
> > > builder. Why? Because all the "secrets" have been shared in the last
> > > twenty five years.
> > >
> > > What's your opinion John?
> > >
> > > Chuck Schmidt in South Pasadena
> > >
> > >
> > > "J.Dunn" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds to me like what you're really asking is, "Why are some people
> > > > famous and other equally talented people not?"
> > > >
> > > > No. This was the question: "Are their wheels actually better than
> > other
> > > > good wheel builders and , if so, how?"
> > > >
> > > > Nothing to do with fame or notoriety. Are their wheels betters than
> > other
> > > > good wheel builders or aren't they? If so, why? Nothing to "hash" out
> > > > that I can see.
> > > >
> > > > John Dunn in Boise
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chuck Schmidt"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CR]Conversations on wheel building...are there great
> > > > wheelbuildersand why are they better than others?
> > > >
> > > > > Tom Sanders wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > (cut)
> > > > > > What I'd like to know is just what is it that gives famous wheel
> > > > builders such as Joe Young or Spence Wolf such a cache among the classic
> > > > biking community. Are their wheels actually better than other good
> > wheel
> > > > builders and , if so, how?
> > > > > > Please, don't just tell me they have "Mojo"!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds to me like what you're really asking is, "Why are some people
> > > > > famous and other equally talented people not?" I don't think we need
> > to
> > > > > hash this one out, actually, but then again that's just my opinion.
> > > > > Hash away if you must...
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck Schmidt
> > > > > L.A., SoCal where questions of fame, celebrity and talent are decided
> > on
> > > > > a daily basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > .