[CR]Re: Ephgrave decals

(Example: Production Builders:Teledyne)

From: Mark Stevens <mountgerald@btopenworld.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CATFOODCmtfRbFFvVxj00000ef9@catfood.nt.phred.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:09:08 +0100
Subject: [CR]Re: Ephgrave decals

Thomas, I have 2 Ephgraves in totally original condition, one from 1949-50 and one from 1957. Both have the decal slanting to read up from left to right. The Olympic rings read Blue - yellow -big linking black then green and red on the lower row. The early bike has the tall Avely road decal on the head so I guess is pre head badge time. Mark "pleased to be back" Stevens in Scotland


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> 1. toeclips (matteo brandi)
> 2. Retro-ride- this Sunday 9am (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Benson?=)
> 3. Re: Nervex pro lugs- campy drops on paramounts
> 4. ebay outing - Raleigh Pro, yes it is ... (Donald Gillies)
> 5. Cinelli Frame Numbers (=?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Butler?=)
> 6. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 7, Issue 33
> 7. RE: West African Threats (Karstens, William)
> 8. Dennis Ryan send me your email address. No message.
> 9. Re: OOps! Sorry
> 10. None (Gene Rossini)
> 11. 1914 BSA Path Racer (Wayne F. Jolly)
> 12. Available to a loving home. (Socal) (Karstens, William)
> 13. Ephgrave seat tube decal (Thomas R. Adams, Jr.)
> 14. Learco Guerra test ride part 2 (Aldo Ross)
> 15. Re: CR list/ W african BS
> 16. Plea to the Raleigh experts (John Morrison)
> 17. Re: Ephgrave seat tube decal (Chuck Schmidt)
> 18. Campy bar cons on eBay $2000? (Aldo Ross)
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> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:34:25 +0200
> From: matteo brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it>
> To: classic rendezvous bikelist <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]toeclips
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> Forgot toask on the previous post!
>
> i need 3 Pair of NOS campy toeclips.im down for a trade too( no sorry,No
> full masi bikes available)
>
> Matteo Brandi Same city same country
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:40:20 +1000 (EST)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Benson?= <bensondoc@yahoo.com.au>
> To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Retro-ride- this Sunday 9am
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> Meet 9am at 16 Ngaio St, Otahuhu, for pre-ride coffee
> & introductions.
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> Our inaugural Show & Tell was wildly succesful, so
> we'll do it again. Bring something, or somebody, cool
> & retro to entertain us with.
>
> Chris Tennent-Brown is rumoured to be bringing a
> walking, talking Kiwi cycling icon as his Show and
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> Leave at 9:30 sharp for an easy paced ride through
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> coffee at Ardmore Airfield.
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> Use of a vintage or retro bike, and the wearing of
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:33:19 EDT
> From: FujiFish1@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Nervex pro lugs- campy drops on paramounts
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> One point of interest here, FWIW. My 72 Chromed Paramount Tourer (seen at
> the Cirque 2003) has a "NERVEX" stamped bottom bracket. In fact, I think it was
> either Brian B. or Larry B. that at some time in the past noted it's
> irregularity for such a late year, if I'm remembering correctly. To pre-empt the next
> question, the serial number is L725. There are also a series of dimensions
> lightly stamped in just after the Nervex stamp.
>
> In a message dated 7/9/2003 1:22:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
>
> > jimmy,
> >
> > I'm not a Schwinn expert by any stretch, but I understand that Nervex
> > Pro lugs were introduced around 1959 or 1960. I think Schwinn stopped
> > using the Nervex BB shell sometime around 1963-65. Many bikes from many
> > nations seem to have a similar cutoff period for the use of Nervex BB
> > shells, but I don't know why. The deffinite exception would be Peugeot.
> > I remember my 1971 PX-10 still had a Nervex BB shell. I think the French
> > threaded shells persisted much longer than the English or Italian thread
> > versions. My '62 Masi Special has a Nervex shell but I've not seen a
> > Masi newer than about 1963 with one on it.
> >
> > I haven't checked out your frame, but I would say it's the older date as
> > opposed to a bike from the 70's.
> >
> > Brian Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> > >
> > > I have just got a paramount with seriel # H75 and thought it was a 75model
> > > year.Using waterfords dating system it shows to be a 1961 bike? The
> > question is
> > > did they use nervex pro lugs and bottom brackets and campy dropouts back
> > then
> > > and what year did they start using these parts when building frames.
> > >
> > > I also just received a dura ace dropout and der. hanger alignment tool and
> > it
> > > looks to be like a well made tool, did shimano make a complete tool set
> > like
> > > campy?
> > >
> > > Jimmy Katynski
> > > Madison Heights Mi
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 00:25:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]ebay outing - Raleigh Pro, yes it is ...
> Message-ID: <200307090725.h697P38K007495@newcastle.cs.ubc.ca>
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>
> I know the guy selling the bike. I believe the bike is/was a raleigh
> pro - you can tell by the fastback seat cluster. The seller rides a
> 531 raleigh team but he's interested in selling that one too. i think
> he parts out bikes and then converts the frames to fixed gears in
> order to move the frames (most frames are junk but not this one.)
> anyway he made most of his money on the parts so he can let the frame
> go for $91 + $35("boxing") = $126.00 which is the final price.
>
> I bought 4 items from him two weeks ago, picked them up locally, and
> they were just fine, and in fact, he reads this mailing list (his name
> is Sterling Peters).
>
> Anyway, in my opinion lots of used reynolds 531 frames sell for
> $100 on ebay if they have been repainted or are non-original, so
> the price seems to be exactly right at the moment. This one doesn't
> even have a head badge so it would hard to restore.
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:48:08 +0100 (BST)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Butler?= <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] Cinelli Frame Numbers
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> Does anybody know anything about the Cinelli frame numbering system. I have been offered a frame which is supposed to be a Cinelli, frame No.2251. This offer was made by phone. The vendor is not a cyclist so not much information forthcoming. No pictures available and the frame is at the other end of the country. If this is a Cinelli number what is the year of production.
>
>
>
> Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:11:06 EDT
> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 7, Issue 33
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> In a message dated 7/9/03 1:22:53 AM, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> writes:
>
> >I'd also consider yellow too, if it is properly era and Italian
>
>
>
> Ann;
>
> I found a yellow one at the bike shop... I'll check the condition if you're
> interested.
>
> How are things? You've been awfully quiet of late.
>
> Beth knows about the bike. She hasn't seen it yet, but everything's cool
> (though she IS trying to sink her claws into the money I'll get from my other
> bike).
>
>
> Bob
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 06:18:55 -0700
> From: "Karstens, William" <wkarstens@noris.psasd.navy.mil>
> To: "'Sunsurfslopes@aol.com'" <Sunsurfslopes@aol.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]West African Threats
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> Bob,
>
> You have little to nothing to worry about. They are simply trying
> to scare you off. I had similar problems with faxes going to my house. =
> I
> doubt that they would be able to find you first of all, second of all, =
> have
> the where with all to come to the US for a single person who has not =
> traded
> money with them.
>
> Report it to the applicable agency. Don't continue to email them,
> other than to tell them not to bother you any longer and that you've
> reported them. I would also report the email address to the owner of =
> this
> list, such that any that are subscribed to the list are removed.
>
> R/
> William Karstens
> Spring Valley, CA
> Where we're not afraid of no stinkin' money scammers..
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunsurfslopes@aol.com [mailto:Sunsurfslopes@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:16 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]West African Threats
>
>
> CR:
>
> What's the deal with these West African guys and their money-laundering =
>
> schemes? Have you guys reported them?=20
>
> I recently joined CR to eMail people who enjoy discussing, buying, =
> selling=20
> and trading vintage race bicycle parts.
>
> Since joining the site, I continue to get unsolicited eMail from West =
> Africa
>
> from many parties claiming to want to buy my "bicycle" (I've had =
> multiple=20
> bikes, frames, and components for sale on eBay, so I know these offers =
> are
> bogus)=20
> for insane amounts of money. I guess they want to move cash to the =
> States. I
>
> eMail them back and tell them I've reported them and to stop harassing =
> me.
> I've=20
> noticed that other members on the site have commented on these phony =
> offers,
>
> as well.
>
> Today, I got a response from a fellow who just won't quit eMailing me. =
> Here=20
> it is:
>
> Subj: Re: thanks=A0=20
> Date: 7/8/2003 12:37:11 PM Pacific Standard Time=20
> From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:goodyerma@yahoo.com">goodyerma@yahoo.com</A>=20
> To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Sunsurfslopes@aol.com">Sunsurfslopes@aol.com</A>=20
> Sent from the Internet (Details)=20
>
> <A HREF=3D"mailto:Sunsurfslopes,@aol.com">Sunsurfslopes,</A>
> =A0I have investigate concerning you and I have gotten all neccessary=20
> information concering you, your house, ways everything about you,infact =
> you
> are in=20
> trouble for the rest of your life. believe you me.
>
> I take this threat pretty seriously. What should I do? Hey, I'm just =
> trying=20
> to sell some old bikes here, not get mowed down by a hail of gunfire.
>
> Please advise on next steps.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Fulghum
> San Diego
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:15:53 EDT
> From: CYCLETRUCK@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Dennis Ryan send me your email address. No message.
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> Thanks.
> Calvert Guthrie
> Kansas City
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:20:14 EDT
> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: OOps! Sorry
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>
> In a message dated 7/9/03 1:22:53 AM, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> writes:
>
> >I'd also consider yellow too, if it is properly era and Italian
>
>
> Sorry about the previous post, it was meant to be offlist, obviously.
>
> Just to fill the rest of y'all in... I bought a Masi a few months back that
> just got around to being shipped... Unfortunately, I neglected to tell my dear
> wife, and by the time it arrived I was desperately trying to come up with
> ways to sneak another bike into the house.
>
> Anyway, I finally decided to come clean and abandon all my devious and rather
> complex plans... honesty is the best policy, right?
>
> Best wishes to all,
> Bob Hovey
> Columbus, GA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 06:21:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gene Rossini <biciclismo@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]None
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>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:22:54 -0400
> From: "Wayne F. Jolly" <wjolly@videowave.us>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]1914 BSA Path Racer
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> CR List
> Here are a few photos of the original Path Racer found in Minnesota 10 =
> years ago
> http://community.webshots.com/user/wxxxxxjolly
>
> The 1914 has a disc BB, (first year ?), previous years implemented the =
> cottered bottom bracket
>
> Look forward to learning more
> Wayne Jolly, where the "snowy" Great White North is now only a thousand =
> miles north and cyclists are roaming the streets, Toronto, Canada
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:03:00 -0700
> From: "Karstens, William" <wkarstens@noris.psasd.navy.mil>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Available to a loving home. (Socal)
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>
> Tossed and torn,
>
> A last ditch effort. I had envisioned buying and older frame and
> converting it to a track bike, however, the bike being original (with
> stickers from long defunct bike shops, etc), I have had reservations about
> doing anything to it (shaving off pieces etc). I've received information
> that these bikes aren't "so" collectable. But, here's what I have: An early
> 1970's Nishiki Kokusai. Everything is original (down to the brake pads). I
> have pictures that I can email. If anyone is interested, I will "sell" the
> bike for what I paid for it (email me off list for the price). This only to
> have the money to sink into another frame. I would only like to do this for
> southern California people. If you are interested please email me. I will
> hold on for one week, and then I'll start work on it.
>
> Thanks
>
> William "reluctant" Karstens
> Spring Valley, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:15:45 +0000
> From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Ephgrave seat tube decal
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>
> With regards to the Ephgrave photos I posted yesterday, Chuck Schmidt pointed out to me that the seat tube decal might be 90 degrees out of line, as it slants down from left to right instead of slanting up. Such an inaccuracy wouldn't surprise me as the person who refurbished the bike wasn't concerned with historical accuracy anyway. However, the pictures of Malcom King's early 50's Ephgrave on the CR site looks to have the decal the "wrong" way too.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if Ephgrave installed the seat tube decals only slanting up, or did a few bikes get the decals slanting down from left to right?
>
>
>
> Malcom's bike: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/Ephg_King_bik.html
>
>
>
> My bike: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thomasthomasa/vwp?.dir=/%2749+Ephgrave&.src=ph&.d nm=Seat+tube+logo.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thomasthoma sa/lst%3f%26.dir=/%252749%2bEphgrave%26.src=ph%26.view=t
>
>
>
>
>
> The "right" way: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/Ephgrave_Chottiner1.htm
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
> PS: I'm hoping the Ephgrave can make a personal appearance at Dan Artley's Baltimore area ride this weekend. Who else is coming?
>
>
>
> Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:22:58 -0400
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Learco Guerra test ride part 2
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>
> (First, a few corrections - Jan's Guerra has Ambrosio stem and bars, not =
> Cinelli steel. Also, Wilier Triestina bikes did not use "dragonfly" =
> Labellula tubing. . . I was confusing two different bikes - a Guerra and =
> a Wilier - that a friend owns. And although I thought the parts were =
> all original, this proved not to be the case for the bb and crankset. =
> More on that below. AR)
>
> A Ride Into The Pits
> part 2 - "Assemblation of the Chain-Bending Mechanistics"
>
> Everything went together easily. It helps when there are guides =
> built-into the bike. "See that area of clean paint, surrounded by a =
> 50-years accumulation of crud and grime? Find a part that matches the =
> shape of the clean area, and bolt it in place."
>
> Bizarrely, when everything was installed and adjusted, the chain (still =
> on the bike when it arrived) was 2 links too long for the PR mech to =
> work properly. I wonder how the original owner got away with that? =
> Perhaps he'd switched to "digital" shifting at some point?
>
> With everything bolted on and checked twice, wrenches in my pocket, =
> tires pumped, and helmet strapped securely on my noggin, I took my first =
> test ride around the neighborhood. First thing I noticed was the =
> toeclips dragging the ground. "Huh - must be a really low bottom =
> bracket." Second thing I noticed was how very rigid the steel bars and =
> stem felt. The bike seemed straight and true, and rolled comfortably on =
> big soft clinchers. The saddle has 50 years of break-in, and is as soft =
> as a glove. =20
>
> After a few minutes it was time to try a shift. Bike has a 5-speed =
> 14-22 fw. Shifting from the 20 to the 18 was easy - stop pedaling, open =
> lever 1/4 turn until shifting fork pops up into place with a "click", =
> pedal backwards and move lever to shift onto the 18, stop pedaling and =
> close the lever. Before it disengages, the shifting fork pushes against =
> the chain, and there's a little metal finger and cog which rolls the =
> axle forward slightly while the qr is closing - these two things =
> together provide the necessary chain slack to prevent binding.
>
> Another shift, into the 16. Then another, into the 14. Piece of cake. =
> Then I tried to shift back into the 16 - the fork pushed against the =
> chain, but not enough to shift it before the qr cam engaged again. I =
> tried several more times, but all it did was push gently on the chain, =
> bending it nearly to a shift, but not quite enough. My heart sank as I =
> began to suspect this thing was too worn-out to work properly. =20
>
> I stopped and shifted by hand, then returned home to look things over. =
> I have a spare PR unit, which I compared against the one on the bike. =
> No difference except the spring which snaps the shifting fork into place =
> feels stronger on the spare. OK - I'll switch them and everything will =
> be all right. But as I started removing the mech I felt a knurled nut =
> spin slightly. This nut seems fixed to the lever rod on the spare unit, =
> but was pretty loose on the mounted one. It sits directly below the =
> shifter fork spring tube thingie, and as I turned it I realized it's the =
> adjustment for the spring tension! The one on the spare was so full of =
> dirt and junk it only FELT fixed. (Some Kroil loosened that one too.). =
> So back on the road we went. . . shift down, shift up, shift down, shift =
> up, shift down, shift up. Now it was working perfectly!
>
> :::whew:::
>
> next time part 3 - An Embarrassing Discovery
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:32:49 EDT
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: stephen@preferred-realtor.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: CR list/ W african BS
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> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> <A HREF="http://www.classicrendezvous.com/main.htm">Classic Rendezvous</A>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:46:20 -0700
> From: "John Morrison" <mrsummit@cox.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Plea to the Raleigh experts
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> Hello to all,
> I have to first mention the pleasurable vintage ride this past weekend =
> with some of the SoCal contingency, it was very nice to meet and ride =
> with you, great group and some really nice bikes!
> Next, I have a Raleigh track in my possession, that I'm trying to =
> identify. It does not have a headbadge and has been re-painted. Maybe =
> somebody is familiar with the serial numbers?? It does have the "CC" =
> cutout on the bottom bracket.
> Thanks again,
> John Morrison, SoCal
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> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:58:41 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Ephgrave seat tube decal
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> References: <BAY4-F7KLVXfEFzotSk00006d39@hotmail.com>
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> "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." wrote:
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> > With regards to the Ephgrave photos I posted yesterday, Chuck Schmidt pointed out to me that the seat tube decal might be 90 degrees out of line, as it slants down from left to right instead of slanting up. Such an inaccuracy wouldn't surprise me as the person who refurbished the bike wasn't concerned with historical accuracy anyway. However, the pictures of Malcom King's early 50's Ephgrave on the CR site looks to have the decal the "wrong" way too.
> >
> > Does anyone know if Ephgrave installed the seat tube decals only slanting up, or did a few bikes get the decals slanting down from left to right?
> >
> > Malcom's bike: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/Ephg_King_bik.html
> >
> > My bike: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thomasthomasa/vwp?.dir=/%2749+Ephgrave&.src=ph&.d nm=Seat+tube+logo.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thomasthoma sa/lst%3f%26.dir=/%252749%2bEphgrave%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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> > The "right" way: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/Ephgrave_Chottiner1.htm
>
> Some thoughts: My Ephgrave from 1960 has never been repainted. With
> the decal applied the "right" way the Olympic rings form a seat tube
> band as they encircle the seat tube with "Ephgrave" crossing them.
> Makes more logical graphic sense than when the decal is applied the
> "wrong" way.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:59:53 -0400
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Campy bar cons on eBay $2000?
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> According to this seller, a "similar pair" of Campy bar-cons sold for =
> over $2000 last month?
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> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> 6353795
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> I guess I missed that one.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
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