Understood Chuck, I guess this is just an opinion of mine as to what I consider unreliable. If I like to put on miles, those aluminum freewheels are unreliable to me. So if I wrote a Dancing chain book of my own (which I wouldn't and couldn't), like Berto and others...I would probably toss in my opinions as to what I consider unreliable by my definition similar to ideas they choose to call "copies". Here's my point...one man's roof is another man's floor.
Walter "just kidding...no debate here about who copies whose designs" Skrzypek Falls Creek, Pa
-----Original Message----- From: Chuck Schmidt <email@example.com> Sent: Sep 10, 2003 11:44 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay outing: Spanish Copy (Triplex?) of Campy NRDerailleurs
All the aluminum freewheels I ever used (Maillard, Campagnolo and SunTour) wore out their cogs very fast. But I wouldn't call that unreliability.
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA
> The only item of Zeus that I have ever seen or heard that was unreliable was the alloy freewheels which would average about 80 miles before being thoroughly worn out.
> falls creek, pa
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Schmidt <email@example.com>
> Sent: Sep 10, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay outing: Spanish Copy (Triplex?) of Campy NR Derailleurs
> Out here in California in the 1970s and 1980s The Quick Release Bicycle
> Club (Joe Kossak, Director Sportif) was sponsored by and rode Zeus
> components and the team members told me they were very unhappy with the
> reliability of the Zeus parts (I won't repeat their actual words). They
> did, however, like the Zeus alloy freewheel.
> These things are what make a reputation...
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA
> jerrymoos wrote:
> > Reputation and reality are two separate things. I've ridden more Zeus than
> > anything for 30 years, and never had a Zeus part fail. Never had a Zeus
> > crank crack - I can't say the same of Campy NR cranks. And 1970 was before
> > the release of the Zeus 2000 gruppo, which unlike Campy SR, actually made
> > INTELLIGENT use of titanium.
> > Regards,
> > Jerry Moos
> > Houston, TX
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck Schmidt" <email@example.com>
> > To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay outing: Spanish Copy (Triplex?) of Campy NR
> > Derailleurs
> > > jerrymoos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This was probably more a clone of the Zeus Criterium than of the very
> > > > similar Campy NR. Finish of the RD maybe a bit rougher than Zeus
> > Criterium/
> > > > Campy NR, but the Triplex RD is pro quality at an amazingly low price.
> > The
> > > > shift levers are also basically Zeus Criterium/ Campy NR quality. The
> > FD is
> > > > a bit cheaper than Criterium/NR, but still not bad, and much better
> > than,
> > > > say, Campy Valentino. I bought 4 or 5 of these derailleur sets and I'd
> > say
> > > > they are an amazing bargain.
> > >
> > >
> > > Quote from _The Dancing Chain_ by Berto, Shepherd & Henry: "The 1970
> > > Zeus gruppos: Cirterium, Alfa 72, and Alfa Junior, all copied
> > > Campagnolo. Zeus did not have a high reputation for reliablility."
> > >
> > > Chuck Schmidt
> > > South Pasadena, CA