Re: [CR]interesting eBay bidding...Brooks

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From: "Wspokes" <wspokes@penn.com>
To: "classic list" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]interesting eBay bidding...Brooks
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:40:33 -0500


Shill bidding is pretty prevalent out there. I had caught on to one individual once trying to outbid them and then picked up on it later on another auction for a similar item. same seller, same person pushing my bid higher. I didn't take the bait the second time and let my bid remain low and did not counter. The item was far over what it should have been selling for...and the shill bidder won! It wasn't more than 2 days later the seller contacted me trying to sell it for the high bid claiming the high bidder had backed out. I told him to choke on it and never bid on another item. I still see his auctions out there! It wasn't the same seller.

I do find it Interesting that several other auctions that ended from the same exact Seller of this Brookes had Pamknight as a bidder who drove the price up and up...and even one where Pk won the bid. Must not have been satisified that the item was only selling for $159 or the person is just very interested in similar items which could always be the case and I and others shouldn't be just assuming the worst...

Walt Skrzypek
Falls Creek, Pa


----- Original Message -----
From: John Price
To: classic list
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: [CR]interesting eBay bidding...Brooks



> Roy states
>
> "Swallows are my favorite Brooks, there's been many different
> methods and designs of attaching the cut-away portion. BTW, I
> stopped in at Trophy Bike in Philadelphia today and the last honey
> leather / copper rail Swallow is $199."
>
> This gets back to my question - why was the one in the auction so valuable ?
> (Over $700!)
>
> Apart from some possible shill bidding I can't see why even Kauzo would
> spend this much unless this particular Swallow has some uniqueness to it.
>
> By the way, the latest Rivendell Reader has an interesting article on Brooks
> Swallow saddles.
>
> John "I ride a Swift myself" Price
> Denver CO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy H. Drinkwater [mailto:roydrink@ptd.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 3:33 PM
> To: classic list
> Subject: Re: [CR]interesting eBay bidding...Brooks
>
>
> erichie asked:
> >i'm in the outside loop with david here...
> >what's the big deal with this bid history?
>
> I'm thinking that some people are suspecting the "pamjknight"
> with only 2 feedbacks is a shill. Has won only one auction a year,
> but if you're going try to outbid "Kauzo"... ;^)
>
> John asked:
> >Why would this particular Swallow price so high (apart from the bidder
> being
> >known to do this) ? Is this a certain, special model or just a case of I'm
> >going to outbid the other guy no matter what ?
>
> Swallows are my favorite Brooks, there's been many different
> methods and designs of attaching the cut-away portion. BTW, I
> stopped in at Trophy Bike in Philadelphia today and the last honey
> leather / copper rail Swallow is $199.
>
>
> Also have you seen the Brooks catalog scans at Wallingford?
> http://www.wallbike.com/content/archives/catalogindex.html Bill
> Laine gives credit to Bruce Robbins for the Brown Brothers (Dale &
> Sheldon?) catalog scan CD's.
>
>
> Roy "guess my saddle brand" Drinkwater
> Lititz, PA