Re: [CR]Nice E-bay Frejus Tour de France

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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:05:33 -0500
From: "The Maaslands" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Nice E-bay Frejus Tour de France
To: Classic Rendezvous <>
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Joe wrote:

> >
> > In this size I think this will go to Japan. It's also one more
> > data point on
> > the serial numbers. While it can't be a 1950, I think it is clear that my
> > sequential serial number theory is hogwash.
> >
> > Just when I think E-bay is drying up- lots of nice stuff when I looked
> > today. A set of the Campagnolo pedals with toe loops and the <C> markings
> > only found on Raleighs.

to which David opined:
> Actually let me revise that estimate. Looking at the serial # database as it
> stands and attempting to plot it out (allowing a bit of variance to try and
> get a straight line) I'd say this bike is from 1963.

after first stating:
> >
> > I think this bike is from around 1965. I've asked the seller if
> > there's # on
> > the back of the crankarms that might help in the dating.
> >
> > I also think that the concept of Frejus using sequential serial numbers is
> > still sound. What we see when we look at the numbers is muddled
> > by too many
> > years and too many owners (for the most part) and given the
> > variance in when
> > a bike left the factory and when it made it into the first owners hand I
> > think if we plotted a graph we'd see approximate correlation, but
> > we'd never
> > get anything too exact.

Personally, I think this bike may even be older than that. It strikes me as odd that they would continue to celebrate the 1950 tour de France instead of newer races where they had triumphed. I believe this bike might actually be from the late 50's. I seriously doubt that Frejus would continue to use Gran Sport on a top of the line bike once the record group came out.

I have no factual basis for these statements, just a hunch and would love to be contradicted by anybody have some facts.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ