Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed


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From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:07:53 +1000
cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Thanks, Charles;

It is indeed 122mm, so it looks like my simple solution at the moment is to find Stronglight ring, and put the Campy shift levers and derailleur on it. Never really did believe in this all one group thing, so I guess no use to start now!!!

I notice that you are from Honeybrook, I hail from Gettysburg.

P. Lynn Miller Sydney, Australia http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles T. Young"
To: "P. Lynn Miller"
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed



> Measure between two adjacent bolt holes then check Sheldon's chainring page
> to convert from adj to BCD (bolt circle diameter).
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/chainrings.html
>
> If it is 122 BCD, you can use Stronglight 93 rings. Available via eBay and
> sometimes a bit pricey but most elegant.
>
> Charlie Young
> Honeybrook, PA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> To: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
>
>
> > Jerry,
> >
> > As near as I can tell the hole spacing would be 120mm+-. Now that I am
> > critically checking over the bike, I found that it has a Regina Extra BX
> > freewheel with an 86 stamped on it. Is that a date?
> >
> > P. Lynn Miller
> > Sydney, Australia
> > http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> > Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> >
> >
> > > That is a Solida alloy cotterless crank. Never knew they made one. See
> > if
> > > you can measure the diameter of the circle formed by the holes in the
> > > chainring, or just measure the distance between adjacent holes. Those
> hole
> > > are for mounting a second chainring. If it is a common bolt circle
> size,
> > > you can probably buy an extra Campy, Stronglight or TA chainring to fit.
> > If
> > > not, since the crank is cotterless, you might be able to use the BB with
> a
> > > Stronglight or TA crank. Might even be able to use it with a Campy
> crank,
> > > but this is less likely as the axle taper on most French cranks was
> > > different from Campy.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Houston, TX
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > > Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jerry,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > >
> > > > I have posted a picture of the crank here -
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/Photos/cov_eagle_crankset.jpg
> > > -
> > > > as you can see, it is not a particularly good crankset, with a pressed
> > > steel
> > > > chain ring, and no "spider". Here is a poor picture of the bike -
> > > > http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/Photos/cov_eagle.jpg -
> as
> > I
> > > > bought it. I do not think the bike is top-drawer or even close, but my
> > > wife
> > > > loves it and I must it admit it rides very well.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking Campy simply because I have no love for
> Shimano(personal,
> > > > they make very good stuff). It has 170mm cranks at the moment, if I
> can
> > > find
> > > > a pair of 167.5mm, I will change them since my wife is around 5' 6".
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > P. Lynn Miller
> > > > Sydney, Australia
> > > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > > > To: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>; "Classic
> Rendezvous"
> > > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:24 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like an old French steel Solida cottered crank, so the
> BB
> > > cups
> > > > > "S" is probably Solida also. Is it steel with the arms held on with
> > > cotter
> > > > > pins? If so, this crank was pretty heavy and not rare or valuable,
> so
> > > it
> > > > > would probably be better to replace the crank and BB. With a French
> > > > crank,
> > > > > one is always afraid the BB cups are French threaded, but if it is a
> > > > > Coventry Eagle frame, it is almost certainly English BB thread,
> which
> > is
> > > > > essentially the same as modern ISO, so finding a new BB to fit the
> > frame
> > > > > should not be a problem. Personally, on an English mixte frame, I'd
> > use
> > > a
> > > > > TA or Stronglight crank, but a Campy crank and BB will be easy to
> > find
> > > if
> > > > > you are willing to pay the price. As to crankarm length, 175 is
> > > > noticeably
> > > > > different from 170. Also, unless your wife is quite tall, 175 is
> > > probably
> > > > > too long for her. Most average sized American women would ride 165
> > > > cranks,
> > > > > rarely more than 170.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry Moos
> > > > > Houston, TX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> > > > > To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:09 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not know kind of crank it is, but here are the markings on
> it.
> > On
> > > > the
> > > > > > crank arms, outside - SOLIDA, inside - D6 21 Made in France, on
> the
> > > > > > chainring - Made in France, the BB caps - a capital S, Made in
> > France.
> > > > So
> > > > > I
> > > > > > am going to assume it is Simplex. There looks to be provision for
> an
> > > > > inside,
> > > > > > smaller chainring, but finding one could be a trick. I do not have
> a
> > > > > problem
> > > > > > changing the whole bottom bracket, if I need to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the first time I am going to attempt a complete rebuild,
> so
> > I
> > > > > > appreciate any advice given. I have decided to stay with a 5 speed
> > > > > > freewheel, that should make our choices a bit easier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P. Lynn Miller
> > > > > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > > > > > To: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>; "Classic
> > > Rendezvous"
> > > > > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:54 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't usually fit a 6-speed FW in 120 rear spacing, but
> > SunTour
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > early 80's made "Ultra-6" narrow spaced FW's that would fit 6
> cogs
> > > in
> > > > > > 120mm
> > > > > > > rear spacing. A few others copied the idea. If you don't go
> > bigger
> > > > > than
> > > > > > 26
> > > > > > > or 28T tops on the large rear cog, you can use the Campy Nuovo
> > Sport
> > > > > > > derailleurs. You can certainly buy a Campy Nuovo Record or
> Super
> > > > Record
> > > > > > > crankset, but these are expensive. You can buy Campy Grand
> Sport,
> > > > > > Victory,
> > > > > > > or Triomphe cranks cheaper, but the Victory, Triomphe and some
> > > > versions
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > Grand Sport used unique sized chanirings which are now difficult
> > to
> > > > find
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > all the sizes you might want. A modern Campy Mirage is
> relatively
> > > > > > > inexpensive and chainrings are easily available. It is possible
> > you
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > add another chainring to the crank on the bike. What kind of
> > crank
> > > is
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > Note that if you change to a different crankset, and possibly
> even
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > just add a chainring, you will probably need to change the
> baootom
> > > > > bracket
> > > > > > > axle or perhaps the whole botom bracket.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jerry Moos
> > > > > > > Houston, TX
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> > > > > > > To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:14 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good day,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am in the process of reworking my wife's mixte, which is a
> > > Coventry
> > > > > > Eagle,
> > > > > > > a very nice light lugged steel frame made from Tubi Oria
> Cro-Moly.
> > > It
> > > > > > > currently is a five speed using mostly Simplex parts in the
> drive
> > > > train,
> > > > > > > Maillard? hubs with no name 700C rims, and Wienmann brake levers
> > and
> > > > > side
> > > > > > > pulls. I am not sure what year it is, but it is a very nice
> > looking
> > > > and
> > > > > > > handling bike.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to add a chain ring or change the crank set to have 2
> chain
> > > > rings
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > front. It has 120mm spacing on the rear, so I am not sure what
> the
> > > > > maximum
> > > > > > > amount of cogs I can get in that space. I want to use all
> > Campagnolo
> > > > > > parts,
> > > > > > > does not need to be from the same vintage as the frame or even
> all
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > be a certain group. This choice is the result of me picking a
> bike
> > > up
> > > > > > along
> > > > > > > side the road with Campagnolo parts. The frame is too large for
> > > anyone
> > > > > in
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > household but it does have Campagnolo Gran Touring Novou front
> and
> > > > rear
> > > > > > > derailleurs with down tube shifters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So can anyone tell what groups or vintages to look for that
> would
> > > > allow
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > to build a high quality yet economical bike for her. There seems
> > to
> > > be
> > > > a
> > > > > > > huge array of groups, names and vintages out there. I planning
> to
> > > > > replace
> > > > > > > the parts in this order -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drivetrain - I have the front and rear derailleur and shifters,
> > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > find
> > > > > > > the crankset and freewheel. Can I fit a 6 speed in 120mm?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs and rims - Need to source all parts. Since this is mostly a
> > > > touring
> > > > > > > bike, what the best spoke count? Front & rear?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brakes - Levers and callipers - need to source all parts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also how difference is there practically between 170mm cranks
> and
> > > say
> > > > > > 175mm?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for your time
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > P. Lynn Miller
> > > > > > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html