Re: [CR]Re: Changing the definitions of being on-topic

Example: Framebuilders:Masi

From: "Brian Baylis" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Changing the definitions of being on-topic
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:09:12 -0700

Dale and all.

Obviously most want to keep the "Keepers". I can live with that also. As Raoul mentioned to me, don't make the proclaimation so quickly. I soon realized that the type of discussions that take place on the framebuilders list are quite different than the ones we have related to frames on the CR list. The primary difference is that the framebuilders list is mainly technical stuff. Very few if any are seeking information on the artistic aspects of the bike frame. This perspective is most approiate on this list, since the concepts related to artistic framebuilding were born amongst the bikes and frames we are interested in here. Ironically most "modern" framebuilders have no interest in doing frames "old school" with very few exceptions.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:53 AM
Subject: [CR]Re: Changing the definitions of being on-topic

> In a message dated Friday, October 17, 2003 2:53 AM,
> writes:
> << We could circumvent all this discussion about framebuilding (isn't there a
> list somewhere for this anyway) by restricting list topics to bikes built
> before 1983 and doing away with the "keepers of the flame" clause that gives rise
> to it all in the first place.>>
> In a message dated 10/17/2003 10:39:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
> << I would go for that. The "keepers" are a very small group anyway. They
> really are off topic unless it was built before 1983. .............. I'm
> comfortable with eliminating the "Keeper" thing if everyone else feels the same.
> >>
> Sorry guys, but one of my greatest pleasures and almost duties is to support
> and include Keeper's of the Flame here in the CR. I can take a little flare up
> now and then if necessary and those who cannot abide reading about those
> topics may get some good exercise, that of the old delete button.... Ha!
> Dale Brown
> Obstinate and unyielding list owner Potentate
> Greensboro, North Carolina