[CR]Now Phil BB problems, was: Paramount Triple


Example: Racing:Beryl Burton

From: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
To: "'Jan Heine'" <heine93@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:32:14 -0700
Subject: [CR]Now Phil BB problems, was: Paramount Triple

Move sideways ? C'est tres impossible, mon ami! At least for a properly installed Phil cartridge - unless it is TURNING in English threads which is probably what happened. That will cause it to translate sideways.

Not only do the lockrings have to be tite (trapping the cartridge) but they have to be "jammed" against each other so they are immobile in the BB. Phil supplies blue loctite which I use copiously after cleaning with alcohol or something.

And tighten it down with the big breaker bar - about 40-50 ft / lb. On english threads use a backup wrench and tool on the other side of the cartridge. Proper technique shown (on a french bike no less) at

http://www.petry.org/pics/myshop.jpg

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From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]now: Phil BB problems, was: Paramount Triple

Has anybody ever had a Phil move sideways? It happened on two Jack Taylor tandems (both within CR timeline!), rear BB. We noticed the right-side chainrings were grinding on the chainstay, grinding hard! In both cases, the lockrings were VERY tight, but not glued in with Locktite. Same BB, both times, swapped from one bike to other. BSC thread. Drivetrain is standard: from the offending BB, the right crank has a chain to the rear wheel, left crank chain to front cranks. It happened within 500 miles of installation.

Is it a Phil thing, or a Taylor thing? I replaced the BB with a Ritchey (fixed cup), and no more problems. But I'd like to reuse the Phil, so I want to figure out what happened...

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