Re: [CR]which rims for traditional french randonneur

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:58:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "David Feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]which rims for traditional french randonneur
To: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <a0521062bbbc2ce81ca53@[66.167.139.148]>


Jan, Do you or does anyone on the list know who is currently manufacturing a 650b rim? David Feldman Vancouver, WA


--- Jan Heine wrote:


> Dirk and Tom,
>
> The French randonneur bikes came with a variety of
> rims. The Super
> Champion Gentleman was used a lot, and I think it is
> even narrower
> than the Mavic MA-2! Unless they came in different
> widths. I have
> seen the Super Champion 58 as well as Mavic
> Criterium. It may depend
> on the tire width used originally - whether a bike
> was built for 23
> mm or 25 mm tires (28 was rare after 1970 - the
> French randonneurs
> also fell prey to the narrow tire craze, although
> not as severely as
> the racers. And those who didn't were riding 650B
> anyhow!) (Note that
> these are true widths, not what is indicated on the
> tire, which can
> be a very different thing.) (Before anybody scoffs
> at the idea that a
> bike will be built differently for different width
> tires - they are.
> You give the desired tire width when ordering the
> bike. Bridge
> placement and fork leg length is calculated so there
> is enough, but
> not too much room between tire and fender.)
>
> However, since your bike is relatively new, I'd just
> use any nice
> box-section rim. If the decals are too modern,
> simply remove them. I
> agree that the latest versions of the MA-2 don't
> build very well.
> Which makes me wonder about their quality control.
> However, I have
> ridden them for many 10,000s of miles with no
> problems. I have no
> experience with the earlier MA-2s.
>
> Different question: Does anybody know when the Super
> Champion
> Gentleman first appeared?
> --
> Jan Heine, Seattle
> Editor/Publisher
> Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
> http://www.mindspring.com/~heine/bikesite/bikesite/
>
>
>
> Hmm, it's a balancing act between what's available,
> what's period
> correct and what looks nice. If your bike is older
> than 1970, I'm
> not much help on what rim models were available. If
> it's a 70's
> model, then I would suggest looking for the period
> correct Super
> Champion 58's, a wider rim that builds up into a
> tough wheel. To be
> avant garde, go for a set of Weinmann concaves (the
> "dust catchers").
>
> If you want something more modern in a wider rim,
> the now venerable
> Sun CR18 is nice and wide, very tough and is about
> the only polished
> aluminum rim available today. Plus you can get just
> about any
> drilling you want. But it does have a slightly
> higher vertical
> profile than historic rims, and I don't know about
> availablity in
> Europe.
>
> In narrower rims, the Gentleman is close in age,
> although the Mavic
> Module E is older. But if it looks good to you and
> the tires aren't
> too fat, the MA2's will be fine. They were always
> hallowed in memory
> by the Rivendell crowd, although I've heard a few
> wrenches opine they
> were fussy to true.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Feeken, Dirk"
>
>
> >To: "'Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'"
>
>
> >Subject: [CR]which rims for traditional french
> randonneur
>
> >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:10:11 +0100
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >What kind of rims are correct for a traditional
> french Randonneur
> >like Singer or Herse?
>
> >My Singer with 28mmm Michelin tires and 42mm
> fenders has modern
> >Mavic Open pro 622x15 rims. To be honest the
> greyish modern look of
> >the rims annoys me, I would prefer classy polished
> rims. Would it be
> >"historically correct" to replace the rims with
> polished Mavic MA2
> >which are narrower (622x13) or did Randonneurs
> usually had slightly
> >wider 622x15 or even 622x17 rims?
>
> >I have a pair of red label MA2s and Wolber Super
> Champion Gentleman
> >rims but both are 622x13.
>
> >Which classic french rims have been made in 622x15?
>
> >I know that MA2s would work with 28mm tires, but I
> want to know if
> >it would also be "correct" to put them on the
> Singer (you what I
> >mean).
>
> >
>
> >Dirk
>
> >
>
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