[CR]unknown Cinelli headtube logo, LONG REPLY....and response

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From: <Bikerdaver@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:57:11 EDT
Subject: [CR]unknown Cinelli headtube logo, LONG REPLY....and response
To: dmart84815@yahoo.com, TheMaaslands@comcast.net
cc: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org

Pardon my neophyte ramblings, but what is all this talk about fake Cinellis? I am no Cinelli expert, but using Colnago, Schwinn, or Bianchis as examples, there were tens of different variations in "established" models over the years. In fact, some claim that it was the slight variations that made Colnago collecting so darn fun and interesting. Are we to assume that Cinelli never had these types of variations as well, and if there is something different, they must be Fakes? Heck, I have seen variation in same model bikes that were produced for the European market, US market, So.Am. market and even differences for the Canadian market. Differences in decals, fork and stay profiles, braze-ons, paint schemes and even lugs. What I hear the "experts" on this list saying, is that they are 100% sure that Cinelli NEVER was prone to those variations. Unless, you have a hand-written note from Cino himself stating as such, those "truths" appear nothing more than mere speculations. Ah yes, I can hear it now, "well I know I have a real Cinelli and the other one is a fake, and there is nothing that the hayseed from Montana knows about Cinellis anyway". Whatever. All I am saying is there are plenty of collecters out there--even on this list--that desire a particular bike Because Of Its Difference. Does that apply to all bikes Except Cinellis? Based purely on a statistics, I would say that at least one of these "truths" is wrong. Cheers and Peace, Dave Anderson Cut Bank MT

In a message dated 10/19/2003 9:22:26 AM PST, dmart84815@yahoo.com writes:
> Hello Steven,
> I have seen frames decaled as a Cinelli Mod B with this badge. One such
> frame decaled and badged as a Cinelli B was for sale in Velo Sport back in the
> mid 80s, I was able to take some pics of it. I believe the folks at VS. truely
> believed the frame was a Cinelli Mod B.
> A number of these frames made it to the Bay Area, they were brought in by a
> fellow visiting Singapore (back in the mid 80s). I found out about these
> frames from a ad in the misc-garage sale section of the San Jose Mercury News. He
> listed it as, Items from Singapore and Cinelli bicycle frames... When I got
> to his house he had about 3 frames left. They were painted Cinelli silver
> with candy red bands on the seattube and a candy red head tube. The headtube
> lugs were chrome as well as the semi-sloping crown and the forkends and part of
> the stays. The lugs looked to be Cinelli, the seatstay attachement was ugly
> and kinda crude with the seatstay caps flattend against the seatlug. It wasnt
> the classic fastback,or early 50s style with the seatpost clamp. The frames
> had the vintage Cinelli downtube, crest, and Mod B decals, this combination
> made the frames really quite attractive. They did have that unusual badge. At
> the time, I was excited, yet supicous. Also, I thought that Cinelli Bs only
> came with flat crowns, yet these had semi sloping crowns (I have since seen
> at least two authentic Cineli Bs with semi sloping crowns-the same crown
> thats used on the Riviera). I became convinced that these frames were frauds when
> I tried to fit wheels in both the front and rear ends, and nothing short of
> brutal strenght would allow the wheels to be fitted. We walked away from that
> "Deal". But before we did, the seller showed us "his" bike--- a real Cinelli
> Mod B with a flat crown, brass badge and the cinell seat cluster...... Hey
> buddy, want a Rolex? Cheap!
> Dave Martinez
> (I'm no Cinelli expert, but I get paid to drive a celeste truck)
> Fremont Ca.
> ps. I sent the pics of the cinelli to Spence Wolfe (when he worked at
> Winning Wheels in Pacific Grove), and he said that it wasnt a cinelli.
> TheMaaslands@comcast.net wrote:
> There is a Cinelli headtube badge for sale on ebay. Check it out at:
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> Can anybody tell me where thihs fits in era-wise. I am wondering if it is
> perhaps a repro. Any comments?
> --
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ