Example: Framebuilders:Doug Fattic
From: "Brian Baylis" <>
To: "Jim McCoin" <>
References: <001801c396a3$e15cd920$>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:38:20 -0700


There is NO BETTER WAY to begin to grasp what is involved in "old school" framebuilding than to do it yourself. The elements of design and crastsmanship in frames are full of things that "no one will ever see" if the task is undertaken with the purpose of building the most excellent frame one is capable of. To many the differences are undetectable, to those with an experienced eye things like "fake Cinellis" are easily differenciated from the genuine article.

Good luck on your project. I'm looking forward to seeing the end results. I'm sure the experience will be enlightening and rewarding.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim McCoin
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 5:48 PM

All of frame building talk has gotten me excited. I recently had the opportunity to spend a few days with Peter as he built Guy's frame, name dropper, any way, one of Peters comments was "nobody will ever see this" or "nobody will realize this was done". Well I do, because in the mid 80's he built me a track frame, and I was able to watch part of the work.

Well, where I'm going with this is, after over 30 some years of silver brazing scientific and nuclear plumbing, I am going to build my self a frame. Either 531 or Columbus. you have to realize I started riding in 1960 and modern IC lugs hold no interest for me, I was shown a set with a raised head tube extension, my question was "why not just go with a centimeter longer frame".

My quest is for a complete set of Nrervex Pro lugs, if any one could set me in the right direction I would be grateful.


Jim "obviously a retro grouch" McCoin.

Fremont Ca.