Re: [CR]Re: Ideor--Is it really a Cinelli?

Example: Production Builders:Cinelli
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:03:58 -0700
From: "Chuck Schmidt" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Ideor--Is it really a Cinelli?
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Wayne Jolly wrote:
>In the November 1977 edition of Bicycling is a very interesting comment in
>Dick Swann's column "Question Man" on page 64/65.
>Mr. H.J.Battjes of Palo Alto, CA writes: I have an Ideor. I am told it is
>circa 1960, near Cinelli's factory, a fine frame. Could you elaborate?
>This is one of several makers that have appeared in Milan over the last 20
>years. Most of these small makers are ex-Cinelli workers; so the stuff
>should be very good indeed. Dick Swann
>The response seems to confirm a link to the Cinelli factory. Has anyone
>heard about this before? Would anyone agree that the build quality of an
>Ideor is comparable to Cinelli?

Peter Jourdain wrote:
> Wayne--you raise a very intriguing issue, Ideor as a
> possible Cinelli spinoff!

I think it is important to bear in mind here that a "spinoff of Cinelli" and Cinelli's ex-employees starting a company of their own are two different things entirely.

Faliero Masi worked for Gloria originally. Would you call a Masi bicycle a spinoff of Gloria? Are 7 Cycles a spinoff of Merlin?

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA