Just wondering why it is mostly older Cinelli's which receive the "magic carpet ride" accolades and not so many other period Italian makes? Certainly other makers had the ability to braze tubes up for a soft ride, no? Anyone ever compare vintage Cinelli's with other Italian steeds? Thanks, JL
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> 1. EG Bates for sale (Pete Paine)
> 2. Re: MKM Photos up with text & links included! (Daniel Artley)
> 3. Marc St. Martin please email again
> 4. Re: Oddball Mavic bearings (Tom Martin)
> 5. FS: cogs for SunTour Winner, New Winner freewheels
> 6. RE: momovelo & Kai Matsuda
> 7. Re: Handle bar wrap (David Cowie)
> 8. Re: MomoVelo and Kai (Tom Martin)
> 9. Re: RE: momovelo & Kai Matsuda (Vladislav Luskin)
> 10. Re: "waxy buildup"? (Dale B. Phelps)
> 11. Campi NR 180mm non-drive arm needed (Dale B. Phelps)
> 12. Campi 151 chainrings needed (Dale B. Phelps)
> 13. The Bay Area's riches: was Kai and Momovelo
> 14. RE: Raleigh Record Ace on eBay (Tom Forhan)
> 15. Mike Hoyt, are you out there?
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:35:37 -0000
> From: "Pete Paine" <petebike7@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]EG Bates for sale
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> Hello all
> I have for sale what I think is an EG Bates. It is a complete =
> running bike with a 21 3/4" ctt seat tube with a 22" toptube =
> ctc.Spearpoint lugs and Campag ends The bike has H Bates transfers =
> which maybe wrong. The frame # is 056117 and a diamond stamped next to =
> it with EG (?) in it.
> I would guess the bike to be very early 1960s and all the equipement =
> seems to be correct as follows
>
> H/f n Record hubs (no "Record") with Mavic Champion du Monde suparoute =
> sprints 32/40
> Steel Record rear mech , Record front with stop
> Record 27.2 pin with Brooks B17 dated 1960
> Wienmann deluxe brakes
> Stronglihght 49D double with Campag Record pedals with toe strap loops
> Ambrosio bars with unknown stem.
>
> The frame has been refinished at some time and is generally very good =
> apart from a couple of scratches. There is one small ding on one fork =
> blade.
> The bike came to me in this condition and it does seem to all belong =
> together
>
> For some pics of more info please contact me off list
> $700 plus shipping
>
> Regards Pete Paine Watford
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:10:22 -0500
> From: "Daniel Artley" <dartley@co.ba.md.us>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: MKM Photos up with text & links included!
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> Tom,
>
> You were complaining about the chainring being too close to the chain
> stay. Actually a half step plus granny needs to be as close to the
> chain stay as possible to get the best chain line with bigger freewheel
> combinations. Mine were so close on my Sachs tourer that I was getting
> capilary action between the chainring and stay when it was wet.
> Probably not a problem if you're staying with a five speed freewheel,
> but even with six speeds, you'll want to use the big big combination if
> you can, probably not a lot, but you'll want it. You can set up the
> front shifter to shift a bit past the granny to get a reliable shift and
> use a third eye chain watcher to keep the chain on the granny. If that
> doesn't work, an old bike shop guy could do a bit of bending on the
> derailleur cage to maximize the shifting down to the granny. A lot of
> those older front derailleurs seemed to work better with a bit of
> modification. Its been years since I've worked in shops, but I've been
> warned that newer mechanics generally don't have the expertise since
> they've been dealing with shifting systems that work well in their newer
> sloppy way. Good luck with the bike. It looks great from the website.
>
> Dan Artley in Parkton, MD
>
> >>> "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." kctommy@msn.com> 11/09/2003 11:22:59 AM >>
> Here are a few pics of my newest paramour. We met on an eBay blind
> date, courtesy of Tom Hayes. The paint was done by Franklin Frames.
> I've only had one short test ride, but she rides very nicely indeed.
> The geometry is on the sporty side in the back, with 16.75 chainstays,
> but the wheel base is a plush 41 inches. Handling is more on the quick
> side, but not twitchy by any means. Comfort was excellent, although the
> 32mm Paselas and broken in B17 had a lot to do with that.
> Tom H. didn't mention what year it was, and I don't see any frame
> markings providing an obvious clue. However the Headbadge is probably
> either early or late in the company's life, as it mentions only Mason
> and Metacalfe (M&M) without the K. I'll assume it's a '72 to '73, with
> the headbadge predating the period when Ron Kitching got involved with
> the business. BTW, the bike came with the MKM crest decal on the seat
> tube similar to Dale's MKM shown on the CR website, but Lloyds Transfers
> didn't have them. Luckily we were able to save the headbadge.
> I haven't tried it out in Mark II form yet (Cinelli R stem). Waiting
> for noon to ride, as it's darn cold now. Thanks for looking.
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
> , and go to the MKM folder, or try
>
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
> Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:28:51 -0800
> From: <joeysarah@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Marc St. Martin please email again
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> Dear Marc,
>
> Please email again. Thanks
>
> Chris Gonzalez
> Carmel, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:23:23 -0800
> From: "Tom Martin" <tom@wilsonbike.com>
> To: "Dennis Young" <mail@woodworkingboy.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Oddball Mavic bearings
> Message-ID: <009101c3a7af$65ada4e0$0a01a8c0@lobby>
> References: <BBD3210E.2E54%mail@woodworkingboy.com>
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> Dennis:
>
> My bad- I was rushing off at the end of the day so info was not complete:
>
> The sealed bearings required for the MAvic BB are 30.0mm OD x 16.0mm ID x
> 9.0mm width.
> maybe there is an SAE equivilent?
> Good luck!
>
> Tom Martin
> Oakland CA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Young" <mail@woodworkingboy.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:39 AM
> Subject: [CR]Oddball Mavic bearings
>
>
> > Can you pass along the complete bearing measurements. I'd like to look
> for
> > them over here. I'm friends with a bearing supply nearby. I bring them
> ice
> > cream, they find what I need. These are a sealed bearing? We use three
> > systems of measurement over here. One was outlawed, but it's still in
use
> > amongst craftsmen.
> >
> > Dennis Young
> > Hotaka, Japan
> >
> >
> > > The ID of the MAvic bearings is 16.0mm - totally oddball at least for
US
> > > bearing houses.
> > >
> > > Tom Martin
> > > Oakland CA
> > > the rains have finally come- time to try out the new rain jacket and
> > > carradice duck bags.
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:39:56 -0800
> From: rhawks@lmi.net
> To: classics rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]FS: cogs for SunTour Winner, New Winner freewheels
> Message-ID: <1068485996.3fafcd6c0e057@webmail.lmi.net>
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>
> As a result of enrolling in the FMGTY (From my garage to yours)
> program, I helped clear space in Bob Freitas' garage
> floor and I have now come into possession of a quantity of cogs for
> Winner and New Winner 5, regular and ultra 6, and 7 cog FWs.
> I haven't finished inventorying them yet, but it
> looks like I have multiples of most cogs, from the 12
> tooth U cogs through the 34 tooth A cogs, and I have
> quite a few spacers for these. Some cogs I have just
> a few of and others I have lots of. Depending on availability,
> I would like to ask between $4 and $9 for the cogs.
> I've got the spacers too, figure $1 a piece for them.
>
> Let me know what cogs you might need, including if you'd
> like to change a 5 to a 6 cog freewheel, or a 6 to a 7,
> add a bailout cog by replacing a 26 with a 28 A or a
> 28 A with a 30, 32, or 34 tooth A cog, etc. What you'll
> need to know is the designation and tooth count of each cog, found
> on the back side of the cog, and the body you have to mount
> the cogs on. These cogs can go on Winner, New Winner, and Winner
> Pro bodies, and probably on the Compe and Pro-Compe bodies,
> if I have read the technical bulletin properly. If you
> run period specific SunTour stuff, and you want to extend
> the life of your freewheel, or if you just have an old beater
> bike that uses freewheels, this is one way to keep those
> going cheaply.
>
> Most of the cogs are silver, but there are some duplicates that are
> black and a very few that are gold. I don't have a complete set
> of black or gold though so that will be very hit and miss. As I
> said, it's mostly silver. Depending on the cogs chosen, I probably
> have enough for several dozen freewheels. These are new cogs,
> some of them still with price stickers on them, others looking
> a little dusty from sitting in a box for many years.
>
> Just so you know, I will be off tomorrow and part of
> wednesday, so if I don't get back to you immediately,
> don't worry, I will probably respond later in the week.
>
> rob hawks
> richmond, ca
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:50:36 -0800
> From: rhawks@lmi.net
> To: classics rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]RE: momovelo & Kai Matsuda
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>
>
> Raoul wrote:
>
> O.K. , obviously the Berkeley - San Francisco area is just =
> entirely TOO nice ! In alphabetical order : =20
>
> American Cyclery
>
> Jitensha Studio
>
> momovelo
>
> Rivendell
>
> who did I forget to mention ?
>
> How about Peter Rich and Velosport, and a couple places
> on the Penninsula in Palo Alto and nearby, and Bicycle Oddesey
> in Sausolito. I see what you mean Raoul, I'm sure I'm missing
> several too.
>
> rob hawks
> richmond, ca
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:50:43 -0700
> From: David Cowie <recycle@wmni.net>
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Handle bar wrap
> Message-ID: <3FAFC1E3.527215DB@wmni.net>
> References: <Law9-F61zi6RjMTfb6m000116ac@hotmail.com>
> <005c01c3a708$01ad08c0$ce2d5142@digitalputty.com>
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>
> Richard, You could simply try " only the wizest can SEE the value". This
works well for Louis Vuitton handbags.
>
> David Cowie
> Sutherlin Oregon
> The king has warm clothes today.
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Reno
> > To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:35 AM
> > Subject: [CR]Handle bar wrap
> >
> > Thanks to everybody who sent info on the Fujita leather handle bar
wrap! I'm
> > going to order some...then I'll probably need advice on how to
convince my
> > wife that $50.00 wrap is a good idea when cork tape is $8.00!
> > Thanks again,
> > Rick Reno
> > Green Bay, WI.
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:43:00 -0800
> From: "Tom Martin" <tom@wilsonbike.com>
> To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>,
> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]MomoVelo and Kai
> Message-ID: <013d01c3a7b2$3272afa0$0a01a8c0@lobby>
> References: <007301c3a71f$e1b0f000$5989480c@gateway>
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>
> Kai has an odd schedule; 2 weeks in the US, 6 weeks in Japan. or something
> like that.
> MomoVelo is still chugging along, but response time may be a little
> variable.
> He as so much cool stuff crammed into his storefront, lots more that is
not
> on the website. drop him an email and be patient.
>
> BTW, I heard that pumpkins are a seasonal accessory with every Cheeseboard
> purchase, as long as your state/ country doesn't have produce
restrictions.
>
> Tom Martin
> Oakland CA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:16 PM
> Subject: [CR]MomoVelo and Kai
>
>
> > I believe Tom Martin can give you a better update but Kai went to
> > japan at end of summer - back to work for one of the larger tech
> > firms. His intention was to be back in Bay Area sometime early
> > winter and restart Momo Velo but from a different location.
> >
> > Tom Rawson
> > Oakland, CA
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:26:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Vladislav Luskin <vladluskin@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: momovelo & Kai Matsuda
> Message-ID: <20031110182659.24327.qmail@web40106.mail.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To: <1068486636.3fafcfec3b45c@webmail.lmi.net>
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>
> Hey Rob, add to that list Ed Litton of, yes, Richmond.
>
> VladLuskin
> SFCA
>
> rhawks@lmi.net wrote:
>
>
> Raoul wrote:
>
> O.K. , obviously the Berkeley - San Francisco area is just =
> entirely TOO nice ! In alphabetical order : =20
>
> American Cyclery
>
> Jitensha Studio
>
> momovelo
>
> Rivendell
>
> who did I forget to mention ?
>
> How about Peter Rich and Velosport, and a couple places
> on the Penninsula in Palo Alto and nearby, and Bicycle Oddesey
> in Sausolito. I see what you mean Raoul, I'm sure I'm missing
> several too.
>
> rob hawks
> richmond, ca
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:36:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: "waxy buildup"?
> Message-ID: <20031110183654.60417.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To: <CATFOODXix4A2DreBBs000008b7@catfood.nt.phred.org>
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> Message: 10
>
> this sounds like something from my other collecting hobby
> gone awry, namely, "cosmoline." But my money's on old clearcoat.
>
> Dale Phelps
> Boulder CO
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:39:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Campi NR 180mm non-drive arm needed
> Message-ID: <20031110183918.52300.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Yes I am serious, any one have one (or even two>?)
>
>
> Dale Phelps
> Boulder CO
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Campi 151 chainrings needed
> Message-ID: <20031110184014.92143.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> 'nuff said there, please e-mail off list?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dale Phelps
> Boulder CO
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:46:27 -0800
> From: rhawks@lmi.net
> To: classics rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]The Bay Area's riches: was Kai and Momovelo
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>
> Lest anyone think I was slighting Ed Litton, when listing
> Bay Area bicycling treasures, I was looking at the list
> as being one of bike shops and bike gear sources. Rivendell
> does cover that and while they design and sell frames, those
> aren't made in the Bay Area. And being a wee bit technical
> for a moment, Ed Litton is in Point Richmond, not my own Richmond.
> Still, getting back to Ed, I would certainly agree about including him
> in a treasures list of all things bicycle. I was admiring one of his
> restorations yesterday when I visited Bob Freitas, and I currently
> have three bikes that Ed has painted for me, one that I ride
> daily. When you visit his shop, it's like a candy store checking
> out all the projects in process, and the discussions are always
> fun too. (Lucky for me he doesn't have a shop rate for
> asking just one more question. I'd be broke.)
>
> Back to the bike shop listing, yes, we have lots of great shops
> here, and it's probably not fair at all that we have such
> great riding terrain and weather here to.
>
>
> rob hawks
> richmond, ca
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:13:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tom Forhan <fourwdvw@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR] Raleigh Record Ace on eBay
> Message-ID: <20031110191305.73302.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> I'm not as skeptical.
>
> There are a couple of identical bikes on the Record
> Ace page of the RetroRaleighs site:
> http://retroraleighs.com/
>
> I also had the pleasure of seeing one just like it
> when while wasting time at College Park Bicycles and
> someone wheeled one in, looking to trade her departed
> father's old bike for a mountain bike. I trust she got
> a nice one.
>
> In this specific offering, I know that you can put
> decals onto anything, but the frame and forks do have
> period correct 531 decals, and the crankset looks like
> a Stronglight 93, a very nice French crankset of its
> day. The Brooks Pro looks correct, and lots of other
> nice details.
>
> Oh well, right now its not at its reserve, so it may
> not go to anyone, at least on this go around.
>
> Tom Forhan
> Takoma Park MD
> 1970 Raleigh Super Course
> 1974 Raleigh Super Course Mark II
> 2003 Atlantis
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:22:34 EST
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Mike Hoyt, are you out there?
> Message-ID: <14c.269818ab.2ce13f7a@aol.com>
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>
> (Sorry folks!)
>
> Mike, if you get this, I received the CD but do not have your e-mail
address.
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408
> 336-274-5959
> fax 336-274-6360
> <A HREF="http://www.cyclesdeoro.com">cyclesdeORO.com</A>
> <A
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>
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>
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