Re: [CR]Cinelli bivalent orientation

(Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley)

From: "Ken Sanford" <kanford@comcast.net>
To: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>, "HM & SS Sachs" <sachs@erols.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <kctommy@msn.com>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli bivalent orientation
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:58:21 -0500


Havine seen these, I agree that they are very 'neat'...

still from a practical optic, they seem to be a solution searching for a problem.

Ken Sanford Kensington, MD

ps. I really enjoyed the privaledge of hosting the after-ride pizza party after yesterday's DC Vintage/fixed gear ride.


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Bender-Zanoni
To: HM & SS Sachs


<chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>; <kctommy@msn.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli bivalent orientation


> I wonder how many Cinelli bivalent wheels EVER got changed in a race such
> that the orientation mattered!
>
> For starters you needed a pair of them, some sort of mechanical failure and
> a third wheel!
>
> Anyone know of an actual example of a Cinelli wheel changout in a race?
>
> Where it mattered?
>
> Don't get me wrong- these are neat, but very theoretical, parts.
>
> All that said I wish I had a pair!
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "HM & SS Sachs" <sachs@erols.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>;
> <kctommy@msn.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:59 PM
> Subject: [CR]Cinelli bivalent orientation
>
>
> > Chuck Schmidt commented on a Tom Adams post, the gist being that the
> > Cinelli Bivalent will have its operating lever pointed backwards if it
> > is put on the right side, and the splines on the front wheel are on the
> > right, too. I've been using mine for a decade or so, mounted with the
> > lever on the left, and the splines on the left. Works just the same,
> > except, as Chuck points out, that the lever points forward when fairly
> > tight. I'm feeling sort of sheepish, since I couldn't remember seeing
> > them in use when I got mine, so I just relied on the CONI illustration
> > (p. 99) for guidance. I might have played with it and come out prefering
> > Chuck's way (but, in 40 years, I can't remember tangling a front QR
> > lever, so I don't regard this as critical). What is critical (and the
> > CONI shows, and Chuck emphasizes) is that the skewer operating lever and
> > the splines be on the same side of the assembly. After that, I think it
> > has to do more with preference that "correctness." thanks! harvey sachs
> > mcLean va Tom Adams wrote:
> >
> > > CR stalwarts I remember meeting were Dan Artley, Harvey Sachs, Larry
> Black and Paul Raley. Bikes included Dan's curve tube Taylor with a SA 4
> speed fixie hub, Harvey's Cinelli mit Bivalent system,...
> > Picture of front bivalent:
> >
> <http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/thomasthomasa/vwp?.dir=/Nov%2703+Balt-DC+r
> ides&.dnm=Cinelli+Bivalent+front+hub.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t>
> >
> > Try this one if the above link is split:
> > http://tinyurl.com/thp7
> >
> > I noticed in this photo that Harvey's front bivalent hub lever is
> > pointed forward and is on the left side of the bike. I had mine the
> > same way on my 1960 Cinelli originally, but found out later after seeing
> > the correct set up in a catalog illustration that the front lever is
> > actually supposed to be set up on the right side of the bike.
> >
> > This way the lever points to the back when tightened and the spline
> > drive is on the same side of the bike (right side) front and rear, so
> > that the front and rear wheels are in the same relationship (less
> > confusing during a wheel change).
> >
> > For those who are unfamiliar with the Cinelli bivalent wheels, the same
> > wheel is used for the front or the back; interchangeable in other words.