Re: [CR]1936 Bates for sale, 20 3/8 st

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From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
To: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>, "Classic Rendezvous" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]1936 Bates for sale, 20 3/8 st
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:28:23 -0500


CORRECTION!!!!!! Seat tube is 20 3/8ths ctr. to ctr.( NOT 22 1/2) Man, am I tired. Sorry


----- Original Message -----
From: John Pergolizzi
To: Classic Rendezvous
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: [CR]1936 Bates for sale



> Well, the time has come to sell the last of the last. Nearly (there's still
> the Alvin Drysdale track frame and the Bianchi Paris-Roubaix frame, both in
> California with a certain soaked troll).
>
> For Sale:
>
> 1936 Bates Path Racer road frame, Cantiflex tubing with diadrant fork.
> 22 3/8 seat tube x 23 1/4 top tube (ctr to ctr). Serial #U7771. Track
> dropouts. Correct but not original Bates 1947 diadrant fork w/ correct lug
> pattern crown. Oiler at lower head lug and top of bottom bracket shell.
> Straight, no dents or dings, no signs of a shunt ever, but rear brake
> bridge is a little crunched from over tightening of the bolt. Needs a
> respray.
> Dated by Ray Etherton July of last year. The following is the
> culmination of our correspondence:
>
> "Hi John,
> At last---- details of Bates numbers
> U7771...Model Utopian, sold to Mr.Syret of Bristol, England, on the
> 18.11.1936
> 10845...Model Vergrandis, sold to Mr.Holley of London SE9..late 1947
> The Utopian was NORMALLY road frame, but could well have been specified with
> track ends...The Records pre 1953 are not detailed enough.
> These are all the details I can find. If they were later frames, then I
> could give a bit more detail.
> For 'period'parts for the frame, best to contact Martin Coopland at Classic
> Bikes
> (my old business) RECLASSICBIKES@AOL.COM
> You will find find him very helpful...may take a little while tho'
> Best Regards Ray "
>
> Includes original headset, steel cottered bottom bracket, left crank
> arm, and alloy domed seat post.
> She is as I found her. Imported a few years ago from England by my
> friend Andrew Long . This is one I really wish I had time for (can youse
> say "ASC" hub). But DEAL I MUST! So......
> I paid $295.00 and will flip her for the same plus $20.00 shipping Fed Ex
> ground in the U.S.A. Or else she goes into storage for "some day".
> J-pegs ready.
>
> John T.Pergolizzi
> New York, New York
> 1-212-308-5903
> 1-917-770-2025