[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 12, Issue 64

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:08:33 -0500
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Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 12, Issue 64

(not to list) Nice idea, Brian! harvey

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> 1. Re: cyclo-network (Retrofan531)
> 2. Re: Dave Tesch, the Manic Master...
> 3. Bent Chainrings, stripped teeth
> 4. Re: Re: cyclo-network (Steve Dahlquist)
> 5. Re: Re: cyclo-network (stevens)
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>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:27:44 -0600
>From: "Retrofan531" <Retrofan531@cox.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Re: cyclo-network
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>Just looking at an auction that I was following for a Merckx frame from
>cyclo-network. Now, under the feedback it shows "Not a Registered User",
>which is a change from what the feedback showed originally.
>
>I use eBay a lot, but not sure what that "NARU" means or how that happens.
>Anyone know?
>
>Frank Phillips in McAlester, OK
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>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:28:15 GMT
>From: brianbaylis@juno.com
>To: stevens@veloworks.com
>Cc: OROBOYZ@aol.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Dave Tesch, the Manic Master...
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>Steven,
>
>We are talking about the correct David Tesch. Dave worked at Trek in the very late 70's or early 80's. He came to San Marcos in about 1981 I think. He was building his own frames by about 1983 or '84. Dave went into the Navy very young; I think no later than age 18 if I'm not mistaken. Dave was about 6 or 7 years younger than I, and I'm 50. It all works out.
>
>>From reading the obituary I recognize several names, including his sister Phyllis, for whom he built a frame that I remember painting for him.
>
>I think it might be cool if maybe we can get a bike from each of our departed friends to have on display in their memory in Greensboro. I know Pergolizzi has the Goodrich that was built for Chris Beyer that I painted. I have the Tesch tandem and an interesting collaboration Tesch S-22 track bike that Dave and I built together. I'm hoping maybe I can somehow get the 1964 Masi Special that belonged to Dave Staub for the occassion. I think that would be a super tribute to our dear friends.
>
>Brian Baylis
>La Mesa, CA
>I really wish we were talking about a different Dave Tesch.
>
>
>
>-- "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote:
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>
>
>I'm starting to question some math, now ...
>
>Sources online indicate that Dave Tesch was at Trek & then Masi in the 1970s
>... but if he was 44, that means he would have been born in 1959 ... turning
>18 in 1977 ... figure a minimum 2-year stint in the Navy, takes him to age 20
>in 1979, leaving precious little time to build at both Trek & Masi in the 1970s.
>
>So ... long was he in the Navy ... and was he at Trek/Masi in the 1970s, or
>not until the early 1980s?
>
>Or is he older than 44, and thus this particular David Tesch might be a
>different one?
>
>
>On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:29:57 GMT, brianbaylis wrote
>
>
>>Dale,
>>
>>Thanks for that great writeup on Dave. I believe I know most of
>>Daves' history in the bike biz and a bit about his prior life in the
>>Navy and other things. I will try to put together a piece on Daves
>>memory that will also serve to inform those who are unfamiliar with
>>Dave, the "Manic Master", a name I have never heard. It did not
>>originate with me for sure. It may be an East Coast phrase.
>>
>>The reality of Daves' passing has hit me finally, and I am sad to
>>tears now. This year has seen 3 super depart our world in a far too
>>untimely manner. Chris Beyer, Dave Staub, and Dave Tesch. How is
>>this fair??
>>
>>Thanks to those who have sent me private emails in sympathy. I will
>>try to repay the list by comming up with something significant about
>>my true friend. There never has been nor will there ever be again a
>>person like Dave Tesch. Our relationship over the years was kind of
>>up and down, but overall we both had a tremendous respect for one
>>another. Rest in peace Dave, those who really knew Dave are most
>>certainly saddened by the loss.
>>
>>Brian Baylis
>>La Mesa, CA
>>I may attempt to put the final finishing touches on the one and only
>>Tesch tandem frame ever built, for display at Le Crique, 2004.
>>
>>-- OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
>>Well, I waited to be certain that a mistake hadn't been made...
>>
>>Dave & I went way back.
>>
>>He always made me laugh as he was indeed a funny and occasionally
>>outrageous guy. He took joy in creating a sensation. His personality
>>was strong and sometimes a bit self focussed but he was also
>>sensitive and considerate. (That is a fairly constant characteristic
>>I have observed in all the best artists politicians, actors etc. I
>>have hung around.)
>>
>> The nick name the "Manic Master" says some of it! Ha! (wonder who
>>gave him that nickname? Do you know, Brian?) He loved bikes and
>>riders and the flash & fury. In any event, he was always a hoot to
>>hang out with, always entertaining.
>>
>>Maybe someone can do an honest, properly researched Dave Tesch
>>biography, as he had a roller coaster ride in life. I first met him
>>way back in the earlier days at Trek. I was their first south east
>>sales representative and he was working inside. He then went full-on
>>California... to Masi and later to his own brand frames.
>>
>>Oddly, I distinctly remember him showing his new brand at the New
>>York Show at the same time he was at Masi. Can that be right? Maybe
>>he had just quit Masi and was hanging out in the Masi booth... Any
>>way, his bikes always looked hot and had great mojo. Those cool top
>>eyes, the full-on race persona he promoted. Very cool.
>>
>>He got a good bit of press, which was an object of discussion
>>between he & I. By that time, I was selling his frames through CDO
>>and he came out with the oversized tubing frame ("S-22). That was a
>>bust in my shop.. no lugs, fat tubes
>>(Looks like a Cannondale! Yuk!)
>>
>>Then, in an interview in Bicycle Guide (I think... maybe Bicycling
>>mag) he talked & gave readers the impression about how fast he could
>>make them and how it was all done by machinery rather than by hand..
>>I called him and raised hell as he had said all the things that
>>removed rather than added mystique to this rather anonymous looking
>>frame model! How could I sell them to customers who wanted "hand
>>crafted" and hours of labor-of-love? He, typically, argued back
>>vociferously ... and he & I went a few years before we talked again...
>>
>>Later I heard from various sources he had lost the legal use of his
>>name for use on his bikes through business stumbles and possible
>>mismanagement along with a Partner. Who knows exactly what happened
>>there as clear unbiased reports were hard to come by..
>>
>>Anyway, he and I finally reconnected through this list and him
>>having found the page devoted to him on the CR.. He was flattered
>>and happy to see it. He obviously had mellowed over the years and
>>was interested in making some more bikes. Despite making his living
>>in the automotive world for the past 10 years or more, he still had
>>the love.
>>
>>Dave Tesch was a crazy, fun person who enriched our lives with his
>>nutty and imaginative zest for life. He will be missed!
>>
>>Dale Brown
>>Greensboro, NC
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
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>--
>Steven L. Sheffield
>stevens at veloworks dot com
>veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
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>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:33:04 EST
>From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
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>Subject: [CR]Bent Chainrings, stripped teeth
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>I am the only persons who has ever done this? I once stripped the teeth on a
>42 teeth chainring. Not a very good ring, Miche, but fairly new, about 1000
>miles, with a new Sedis chain at the same time. I was out training one day,
>slipped it off the 52 to start a longish steady climb. Suddenly I was pedalling
>fresh air. I was in a group of riders and I managed to get it back on to the 52
>(with a little help from a push). On inspection, at the end of the ride, I
>discovered that the problem was that I had turned all the teeth back on
>themselves. I have never seen this before or since. Has any one else?
>
>It was very inconvenient for me as it was a weekend training camp in deepest
>darkest Wales in mid winter. I spent the rest of the Saturday scrounging
>through the junk bins of a local "bike" shop for something that would work. Plenty
>of pink tassels, but not many rings or crank sets. In the end the shop owner
>stripped a crankset from his own hack bike and we fitted that, after hammering
>the chain stay in to a suitable shape to accommodate the new set up!
>
>Regards
>Martin Coopland, Scotland, http://www.BatesBicycles.com
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>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:39:34 -0800
>From: "Steve Dahlquist" <steve@velochrome.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Re: cyclo-network
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>NARU means that they have been suspended from using the Ebay forum. It =
>also means that they [Ebay] have ended all of their auctions. Could be =
>from repeatedly selling something disallowed, or not following through =
>with sales or purchases, or repeatedly violating Ebay rules of any kind. =
> They actually warn you first, then...kaboom -- you're gone. Then you =
>have to wait for 30 days (minimum suspension period), then request that =
>they would benevolently pardon your past wayward ways -- predicated, of =
>course, on your humble submission, and assurance that you have repented. =
> Then you are re-enlisted as a registered user. =20
>
>Steve Dahlquist
>Velochrome Frameset Painting
>V 559-592-6367
>F 559-592-2585
>C 559-967-3318
>steve@velochrome.com
>22582 Carson Avenue
>Exeter, California 93221
>www.Velochrome.com
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Retrofan531=20
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org=20
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> Subject: [CR]Re: cyclo-network
>
>
> Just looking at an auction that I was following for a Merckx frame =
>from
> cyclo-network. Now, under the feedback it shows "Not a Registered =
>User",
> which is a change from what the feedback showed originally.
>
> I use eBay a lot, but not sure what that "NARU" means or how that =
>happens.
> Anyone know?
>
> Frank Phillips in McAlester, OK
>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:53:58 -0700
>From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com>
>To: "Steve Dahlquist" <steve@velochrome.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Re: cyclo-network
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>Or it could mean that they've decided to suspend doing business on eBay.
>
>A person can unregister themselves.
>
>
>
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>On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:39:34 -0800, Steve Dahlquist wrote
>
>
>>NARU means that they have been suspended from using the Ebay forum.
>>It also means that they [Ebay] have ended all of their auctions.
>> Could be from repeatedly selling something disallowed, or not
>>following through with sales or purchases, or repeatedly violating
>>Ebay rules of any kind. They actually warn you first, then...kaboom
>>-- you're gone. Then you have to wait for 30 days (minimum
>>suspension period), then request that they would benevolently pardon
>>your past wayward ways -- predicated, of course, on your humble
>>submission, and assurance that you have repented. Then you are re-
>>enlisted as a registered user.
>>
>>Steve Dahlquist
>>Velochrome Frameset Painting
>>V 559-592-6367
>>F 559-592-2585
>>C 559-967-3318
>>steve@velochrome.com
>>22582 Carson Avenue
>>Exeter, California 93221
>>www.Velochrome.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Retrofan531
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:27 AM
>> Subject: [CR]Re: cyclo-network
>>
>> Just looking at an auction that I was following for a Merckx frame
>>from cyclo-network. Now, under the feedback it shows "Not a
>>Registered User", which is a change from what the feedback showed originally.
>>
>> I use eBay a lot, but not sure what that "NARU" means or how that happens.
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> Frank Phillips in McAlester, OK
>>
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>stevens at veloworks dot com
>veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
>bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
>ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
>aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
>double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
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