[CR]Auctions ending early

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:18:48 +0900
From: "Dennis Young" <mail@woodworkingboy.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: [CR]Auctions ending early

I respectfully disagree with Bob's opinion expressed below. My thinking on the matter is along the lines of what Dale expressed. I doubt that ebay rules allow the early ending of auctions with the profit convenience incentive of the seller in mind. There are other more essential reasons, such as the seller learning that the item is not as was advertised, or is defective, etc. After listing a item and it has received bids, you can not change the description at the auction page, only add to it. In some cases, the only ethical thing to do is end a auction early to eliminate potential later problems. I recently was a bidder on a item where a auction was ended early with a behind the scene sale. There is sometimes a amount of planning and financial arrangement that goes into bidding, or planing a bid. I don't considerate it in the best interests of the auction participants to advertise a item and then prematurely snatch it away for possible profit convenience. It smacks of greed to me, and is unfair to people who still plan to bid in good faith.

My two yen's worth.

Dennis young Hotaka, Japan


> I guess I should weigh in on this since I am recently guilty of this too.
> Normally I would not cancel an auction because I think the best price would be
> attained by letting it run, but I sold a frame off ebay to a list member last
> week. I had just listed it that day and it had not met reserve yet altough it
> had a couple bids (including his). He bought another frame I had on ebay that
> same day by being the high bidder, and made an offer that was higher than I
> expected to get for the one I had just listed, so I took it and ended the
> auction. I would not shut down an auction that had met reserve or I felt
> would get
> a higher price than what was offered but in this case it seemed like the best
> course. I don't think I would have done it for someone not on the list or
> that I didn't already have some history with, as it is risky. But as long as
> you
> are playing by ebay's rules then why would you not want to maximize your
> opportunity? Some people state in their auctions "subject to prior sale" and
> I
> don't think ebay frowns on it. When you cancel an auction first you have to
> cancel all bids, and have to state one of certain listed reasons for this.
> One
> of the listed reasons is "this item is no longer available for sale". I can't
> think of any reason why they would put that in there unless it was ok to sell
> off ebay (OK I suppose an earthquake could have swallowed it up) As long as
> you own the item you should be able to sell it to whomever and however you
> want.
> After all, a seller is selling stuff on auction not for entertainment value,
> but to get the best price he can. Ebay has rules to make their auctions fair
> and available to all, and also safe. I don't think they would allow you to
> cancel an auction if there were strong sentiment against it or it was somehow
> illegal. There is certainly no incentive for ebay to allow this, since they
> lose the potential final fee.
>
> A similar argument could be made about the ethics of sniping. I use sniping
> software because ebay's system almost demands it. Heck, they created sniping.
> They set up their auctions so you must choose an ending time ahead of time,
> so it is the highest bid but also usually the last bid that gets the item. If
> they allowed you to close the auction when you thought it had reached its
> best bid, then sniping would not happen. Yahoo auctions allow this. You can
> extend an auction if you feel like it might go higher. It is very frustrating
> to
> a buyer. So is sniping ethical? You be the judge but I believe most
> experienced ebay buyers do it. I have certainly been "outsniped" a number of
> times.
> It is just part of the game so I don't get too upset about it.
>
> Bob Freeman
> Seattle (where some areas had a white Christmas)