Re: [CR]eBay...and another thing!

(Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley)

From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
To: "Stephen Barner" <steve@sburl.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CATFOODVQkHRVUmrVtH000038fc@catfood.nt.phred.org> <001d01c3cf2a$3b93bda0$6400a8c0@bourke>
Subject: Re: [CR]eBay...and another thing!
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:36:57 -0500


Stephen writes:

<<So, what other description would he use?>>

It seems that "excellent" or "very good" should apply. Perhaps you prefer that misleading description "shop worn"? Since it was mounted, it is definitely not NOS...

Regards, Steve Neago
Cincinnati, OH


----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Barner
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: [CR]eBay...and another thing!



> So, what other description would he use? Although it has been partially
> installed, it has not been used. Even if it had been fully installed, it
> would not have been used. It would be fraudulent to describe it as NOS
> without the disclaimer, since the part might have marks or finish damage by
> improper installation techniques and potential bidders should know this
> ahead of time. However, many (most?) of us look for keywords in auction
> titles to determine whether or not to read into the auction description.
> Without the NOS in the title, the headset might languish unrecognized for
> what it is.
>
> Look at it this way, if this headset was in the inventory of a framebuilder
> and someone ordered a frame with Campy NR headset installed, I would fully
> expect the framebuilder to install this one without even mentioning to the
> purchaser that the cups had been inserted into another frame. There is
> really no reason to. This happens all the time in the most reputable shops.
> New means that it isn't used, not that it's untouched by human hands.
>
> Steve Barner, Bolton, Vermont
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:49:46 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]eBay...and another thing!
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> > When is an item NOS? [ New Old Stock ]
> >
> > Check the following auction for one interpretation.
> >
> > At least he spells out HIS meaning by description.
> >
> >
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > Nick Zatezalo
> > Atlanta,Ga