Re: [CR]Nagasawa forkends...

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Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:52:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]Nagasawa forkends...
From: Richard M Sachs <>

joe. you're asking me to add clarity to two subjects that were discussed independently of each other. irrespective of how you made what you made 20 years after the year1975, it was in 1975, or so, that the Masi Prestige was introduced, and solid seatstay plugs were used on those frames, a departure from the mitred-with- a plate-brazed-on treatment that all Gran Criteriums had 20 years PRIOR TO THAT DATE! if this explanation fails, either try Babelfish, or call me on the telephone. e-RICHIE chester, ct

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:03:38 -0800 (PST) joe starck <> writes: Richard- OK, so Gran Criteriums were still being made with seat stay caps by me 20 years after the Prestiges came with plugs made by who? Richard M Sachs <> wrote: joe. get glasses!! you're taking a few different posts here and garbling them while trying to play catch-up. i said that, "the pre-fabbed masi plug was introduced on the Prestige model in 1975 and that for the preceeding 20 or so years (i.e. 1955...) they were mitering the stays and adding the 'plate'. e-RICHIE chester, ct

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:25:32 -0800 (PST) joe starck writes:
> Richard-
> During my first year or so of employment at "Masi" I sliced the tips
> of my fingers quite a few times preparing Gran Criterium seatstays
> for fluted caps. That would have been 20 years after you say "Masi"
> began using them in 1975. Did you make a typo or is the discussion
> of "Masi" limited to Faliero-Masis, Alberto-Masis, Carlsbad-Masis,
> San Marcos 1-Masis, San Marcos 2-Masis, San Marcos 3-Masis, 4, 5...
> Joe Starck,
> Sun Prairie, Wisconsin
> Richard M Sachs wrote: masi didn't use a
> pre-fabbed plug unti the Prestiges were
> intro'd in 75 or so. the previous 20(?) years the tops were
> "handmade" by mitering the stay and brazing a like-shaped
> plate in the area. the 3V's were intro'd in 81 and the same
> seatstay piece was used on these models.
> and, you ask:
> "Wasn't masi really trying to make frame building easier and
> faster?"
> they were a production shop. you cannot fault them for seeking
> efficiency.
> chester, ct
> writes:
> Ah, the Masi influence.
> Okay, my explanation. Wasn't the fluted masi seat stay a precast
> item
> that
> attached to a square cut seat stay end? Wasn't one main purpose of
> the
> 3V
> internal lug design to eliminate the need for mitre cuts? Aren't
> these
> cool looking dropouts designed to eliminate mitre cuts? Sure speeds
> up
> the
> building process when you don't have to do fish mouth mitre cuts and
> be
> perfect with your brazing and filing. Wasn't masi really trying to
> make
> frame building easier and faster?