Re: [CR]Cinelli's are rough? - Who is making "rough" bikes thesedays?

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From: "Richard Rose" <>
To: "joe starck" <>, "goodrichbikes" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli's are rough? - Who is making "rough" bikes thesedays?
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:59:17 -0500

Joe Starck wrote, in part:
> Hi Curt-
> I think if a builder takes some old stamped lugs out of a box and alters them by adding or removing material for a new and pleasing look then the builder is an artisan. If the builder takes some IC lugs out of a box and removes the casting lines and other blips--that aint artisanship.
> Joe Starck,
> Sun Prairie, Wisconsin

Hi Joe, welcome to the list: Now, suppose the artisan in question works all sort of magic on those stamped lugs but screws the pooch on the rest of the frame. Is he still an artisan? Does the guy using the IC pieces (maybe of his own design), who puts together a superior product and a good looking one to boot now qualify as an artisan? Hmmm, me thinks this is far more complicated than what kind of lug is used. Richard Rose (Toledo, Ohio)