Re: Index is so ON topic (Re: [CR]Re: Allvit shifting)

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Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:08:34 -0500
From: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <>
Subject: Re: Index is so ON topic (Re: [CR]Re: Allvit shifting)
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cc: Brandon Ives <>

2 speed freewheels index great. I haven't even read The Dancing Chain but doesn't the first derailleur go back to 1910 or so? I realize internal gears had a few years on that, but not many.

Joe B-Z

----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Ives
To: Wayne Davidson
Cc: Louis Schulman
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:37 PM
Subject: Index is so ON topic (Re: [CR]Re: Allvit shifting)

> On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 06:48 PM, Wayne Davidson wrote:
> > Hi, regarding "INDEX" equipment, I always remember reading why the
> > italians were so slow in developing this system, "why change what is so
> > easy to do"
> Index shifting existed for 30-40 years before the deraileur even hit
> the scene in the 30s in the form of internally geared hubs. Since the
> first multi-geared FW came as a group with the gear changer they were
> set-ups similar to today's groups. I can't see it would have been hard
> to make a shifter with indents or teeth similar to the internal hub
> shifters. I can't figure out why they didn't do it. I'm sure the same
> reasons that racers embraced index shifting 15 years ago would have
> made it popular 70 years ago had the makers provided it. Any thoughts?
> enjoy,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> SB, CA